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Question: Has Your Ultra Leather Self-Destructed With Cracking Or Flaking?  If So, What Year Is Your PC?
2004 - 0 (0%)
2005 - 1 (6.3%)
2006 - 0 (0%)
2007 - 0 (0%)
2008 - 0 (0%)
2009 - 0 (0%)
2010 - 4 (25%)
2011 - 3 (18.8%)
2012 - 6 (37.5%)
2013 - 1 (6.3%)
2014 - 0 (0%)
2015 - 0 (0%)
2016 - 1 (6.3%)
2017 - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 15

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ron.dittmer
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NewUsed: New
PurchDate: June 2007
Model: 2350 Ford
ModelYear: 2007
Slide: No
IntColor: Green&Gray Cherry
ExtColor: Full Body Gray
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« on: February 14, 2017, 09:15:06 am »

This pole will NOT expire.

Please participate only if your ultra-leather seating surfaces are cracking or flaking away for any reason.  If your leather-like seats are fine or wearing naturally, please do NOT participate.

As PC owners with the problem respond, we all will get a good idea as to when the problem occurred, and if the problem has been resolved by Paul's Seating, the supplier of seats to Phoenix.

Ron Dittmer
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Nancy and or Jake
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NewUsed: Used
PurchDate: 8/31/16
Model: 3100
ModelYear: 2011
Slide: Yes
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2017, 11:07:30 am »

We bought our 2011 PC used last August. It had some small areas of peeling on the sofa. In the short time we have used it, the sofa began shedding vinyl  like crazy. The front driver seats are beginning to go also. It looks awful.  I assumed since we are not the original owner, there was little recourse in asking Phoenix to replace. Now I see that this is a common problem for this year's model, I wonder.
We use no hair sprays, vinyl cleaner or any thing like that, so I was dismayed to read that the problem was assigned to hair spray, hair oil and the like.
Everything else about our 3100 is like new.
I wonder how this will unfold (no pun intended)
Nancy G
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ron.dittmer
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OwnPC: Yes
NewUsed: New
PurchDate: June 2007
Model: 2350 Ford
ModelYear: 2007
Slide: No
IntColor: Green&Gray Cherry
ExtColor: Full Body Gray
Location: North/East, IL
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2017, 05:03:22 pm »

Given that I am the person who started this poll, I wonder if everyone else has the button called "View Results" to see how the poll is progressing.

Do you all have that button to see the progress?
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CKK
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2017, 05:22:47 pm »

Yep  nod
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ron.dittmer
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NewUsed: New
PurchDate: June 2007
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ModelYear: 2007
Slide: No
IntColor: Green&Gray Cherry
ExtColor: Full Body Gray
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2017, 08:13:49 pm »

Thanks CKK
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OwnPC: Yes
NewUsed: Used
PurchDate: Feb. 16, 2015
Model: 2552
ModelYear: 2014
Slide: Yes
IntColor: Cherry
ExtColor: Sunlit
Location: Northern California
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2017, 08:42:45 pm »

Yes as well.  nod
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John and Carol
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Helpful Rating: 33
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OwnPC: Yes
NewUsed: Used
PurchDate: December 20, 2016
Model: 2400 Sprinter
ModelYear: 2012
Slide: Yes
IntColor: Cherry
ExtColor: Rust
Location: Homewood, Il
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2017, 09:20:11 pm »

Odd. . .we don't have a button to see results.  The progress is shown when I enter the Polls Thread.   Cheers

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Jeff and Suzanne traveling with the Cocker Spaniel sisters, Scout & Sydney in Fawkes the Phoenix 
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tnedator
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2017, 08:24:05 am »

Odd. . .we don't have a button to see results.  The progress is shown when I enter the Polls Thread.   Cheers



Could it be you aren't logging in until you are ready to post something?  When I was viewing this thread as a guest (not logged in) I immediately saw the results.  However, if I visit this thread when logged in, it gives me the option to vote or click a link "view results."
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Two Hams in a Can
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PurchDate: December 20, 2016
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ModelYear: 2012
Slide: Yes
IntColor: Cherry
ExtColor: Rust
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2017, 02:37:57 pm »

We stay logged in 24-7.  Cheers
Edit: We can also add the "ultra leather" wall accent coverings in the front of the living space to the flaking issue. pulling hair out
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chevyboy70
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ModelYear: 2005
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2017, 07:04:07 pm »


Sorry, I meant Paul's


Rons upholstry has never responded to emails nor phone calls.  Totally disappointing the company
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Sarz272000
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2017, 10:41:10 pm »

Considering three 3100s, 2010, 2012 & 2013. All three had peeling driver seats. One also had peeling passenger seat. One of three had driver, passenger, dinette and sofa "leather" replaced. Other two didn't replace anything.   Replacement by Paul's $325 leather, $175 fabric.

Seems the most used seat goes first then the others over time.  The 3100 in only PC model that meets our needs. Not sure if I will still consider a PC. The asking prices are such that I would expect better quality, especially after 4-5 years of use.

I am interested to see if PC changes fabrics or supplier for 2018. Being 0/3 is like striking out.

Very disappointed

Ron
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ron.dittmer
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NewUsed: New
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ModelYear: 2007
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ExtColor: Full Body Gray
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2017, 11:06:20 pm »

There is a 2010 2910D on ebay with both front pleather seats looks quite sad.
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ModelYear: 2010
Slide: Yes
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2017, 01:15:18 pm »

All our seating has been replaced in our 2010.  We had custom recliners put in but not because of fabric failure.
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ModelYear: 2012
Slide: Yes
IntColor: tan
ExtColor: brown
Location: Deltona Florida
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2017, 11:18:23 am »

I have a 2012 2910...My front seats/sofa and european chair are all shedding.....every time I touch them it looks like dandruff falling! What the hell is going on?
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ron.dittmer
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Helpful Rating: 282
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OwnPC: Yes
NewUsed: New
PurchDate: June 2007
Model: 2350 Ford
ModelYear: 2007
Slide: No
IntColor: Green&Gray Cherry
ExtColor: Full Body Gray
Location: North/East, IL
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2017, 02:54:31 pm »

I have a 2012 2910...My front seats/sofa and european chair are all shedding.....every time I touch them it looks like dandruff falling! What the hell is going on?
There is speculation that during the end of the Great Recession, the manufacture/supplier of PC seats (Paul's Seating) switched vinyl material suppliers from USA to China which turned out to be an inferior product.

Our 2007 vinyl seats are fine, as is other PC seats made before the Great Recession.

I understand vinyl seats are no longer available.  When upgrading from cloth, direct human contact (seating) surfaces are now 100% leather.  All other surfaces remain vinyl.

It must to painful to all of you who have the self-destructing vinyl seats.  I feel for you.
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