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« on: June 28, 2014, 11:20:27 am »

After returning from our two week trip my wife noticed strands protruding from the left front steering tire. Further inspection shows the other tires have seen the end. My question is "do I remain with Michelins or another brand"??? Yes these are the originals on my 2008 2350. Total Miles  41,343.2.

What brands are others replacing with? Appreciate any suggestions before I order 6 new ones.

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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2014, 11:59:40 am »

Last I heard all the Michelins in our size were gone because ot the recall. Are yor michelins included in the recall?  You might want to do a search on here for "Michelin" or " tires". I would check the Michelin web site. They were replacing their tires with other brands for the recall. The recall did not care about milage. Lets us know what you find out.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2014, 12:52:45 pm »

No Tom, my tires were older than the recall. Mine are just good old travel wear.  Getting 41, 000 out them was good.   Grin
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2014, 02:00:37 pm »

Thought I'd share this info. I may consider Bidgestones
http://www.trucktires.com/bridgestone/us_eng/press/zip/RV_Brochure.pdf
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2014, 04:32:47 pm »

http://www.trucktires.com/bridgestone/us_eng/press/zip/WeighForm.pdf

Thought I'd share this as well
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2014, 11:22:04 pm »

I am surprised a lighter weighted PC2350 would have such trouble.  It's not as if the tires are seeing so much weight.

If I were you, I'd drive the rig to your nearest Michelin dealer and let them tell you that they won't take care of you.  The recall might officially cover a certain time period, but there might be a hidden clause that dealers should take care of tires that come in like yours and include them in the recall.  It never hurts to ask.  Maybe the dealer will have a good suggestion as to what new tires to get.  If not replaced for free, maybe there is some pro-rating that could help defer your cost.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2014, 10:54:22 am »

Ron
 I'm not following what your trying to say,, 7year old tires, 41000,,,  time to go... I have the same tires same year 17000 doing a trip this fall then they are gone,,, safety and main thing is Peace of Mind haha
Bill
  Did you research tires on the forum,,, tons of stuff,, I always copy the post on tires, word document. then save,,, let us know what you decide, like I said above,, my tires are gone after our fall trip... PS if you get a great deal I might be tempted to buy early
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2014, 12:13:38 pm »

We just replaced the 4 rear tires on our 2008 2551.  Just under 40K miles, still had some good rubber, but the side walls were cracking, decided to replace for peace of mind.  Here in the Pacific Northwest, Les Schwab Tire Stores have an excellent reputation, and getting service from one store to another is never a problem.  (All 3 of our batteries are also Schwab.)  Even though their stores only go east to Utah and south to mid-Calif., most of our travel will be in that region, but Schwab will still provide assistance if outside that area.

Schwab only sells Toyo tires.  We've had their passenger car tires, but have no experience with RV or any other tires.  But they service a lot of RVs, plus travel & boat trailers.

We feel totally comfortable with the Toyo tires since that is what Schwab sells.  Other folks may have a different opinion/experience with this brand.

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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2014, 07:56:12 am »

My 3100 came with General Grabber AW tires.  They hold air.  I don't really know what else to report.
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2014, 09:02:27 am »

They hold air.  I don't really know what else to report. kevin
Interesting Comment there Kevin.  I feel the same with our original Michelin tires.  It is easy to report issues like "rough ride, noisy, cracked up fast", etc. but when all is well, your report indirectly says a lot.

I will say that our original Michelin tires are now 7 years old and I think with 21k or 23k miles of use.  No cracking yet, but is stored indoors (heated in winter) which makes the difference.  I did notice the strange looking uneven wear happening on the front tires again like I often dealt with on our first rig.  It takes but one occurrence from a couple days of a strong side wind while crossing the great plains.  It think it most commonly occurs on short wheel base rigs with lighter front axles.  The strange wear is not yet concerning to replace the front tires.  Our 4 rear tires still look great, like new.

I realize our situation is unique.  If you feel it's time for tires, buy them and enjoy your trips.  Don't take my story as any sort of "Lead" to follow.

I do feel strong over the benefits of indoor storage.  I highly recommend if you can arrange it somehow.  Check locally.  You might find a local warehouse being used for indoor RV storage at very low rates.  Their empty buildings would otherwise sit vacant earning nothing while they are seeking a company to lease their building.
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2014, 09:33:38 pm »

Ron is right on target about inside storage.  Not only do the tires last longer, every seal around the windows, doors, mounts, etc. lasts longer.  UV is the enemy of lots of stuff.  That being said, it is generally agreed that rubber tires chemically degrade due to time regardless of the atmosphere in which they find themselves.  For me, six years is tops and I just buy new ones regardless of the tread.   Like my tire guy told me once "RV tires seldom wear out, they just age out".   RV.net/forums has had some interesting discussions over the years by engineers, chemists, all those kind of gurus that convinced me about the chemical changes in the decomposition of tires over time.............just like the food in the freezer changes over time. 

Previous to buying the PC last fall, we enjoyed our Roadtrek 210 for almost eight years and it lived in our garage at home which has a nine foot door, a little shy for the PC.   When we sold it we got top bucks because it was just like new.  No deterioration in the paint, rubber, interior...........nothin!   The garage is heated and airconditioned and that made all the difference.  Now, we store in a metal garage storage facility about three miles from the house.  It is really a nice storage area but certainly will not preserve as well as the HVAC equpped garage.   

I think of tires as a few square inches of road contact that stand between us and eternity.   I never try to squeeze the last bit of life out of the suckers.  It is just one risk I won't take.   

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2014, 07:32:04 am »

From the Michelin web site:

Service Life for RV/Motorhome Tires
The following recommendation applies to RV/Motorhome tires. Tires are composed of
various types of material and rubber compounds, having performance properties essential
to the proper functioning of the tire itself. These component properties evolve over time.
For each tire, this evolution depends upon many factors such as weather, storage conditions,
and conditions of use (load, speed, inflation pressure, maintenance, etc.) to which the tire is
subjected throughout its life. This service-related evolution varies widely so that accurately
predicting the serviceable life of any specific tire in advance is not possible.
That is why, in addition to regular inspections and inflation pressure maintenance by
consumers, it is recommended to have RV/Motorhome tires, including spare tires, inspected
regularly by a qualified tire specialist, such as a tire dealer, who will assess the tire’s
suitability for continued service. Tires that have been in use for 5 years or more should
continue to be inspected by a specialist at least annually.
Consumers are strongly encouraged to be aware not only of their tires’ visual condition and
inflation pressure, but also of any change in dynamic performance such as increased air
loss, noise or vibration, which could be an indication that the tires need to be removed from
service to prevent tire failure.
It is impossible to predict when tires should be replaced based on their calendar age alone.
However, the older a tire the greater the chance that it will need to be replaced due to the
service-related evolution or other conditions found upon inspection or detected during use.
While most tires will need replacement before they achieve 10 years, it is recommended that
any tires in service 10 years or more from the date of manufacture, including spare tires, be
replaced with new tires as a simple precaution even if such tires appear serviceable and even
if they have not reached the legal wear limit.
For tires that were on an original equipment vehicle (i.e., acquired by the consumer on a
new vehicle), follow the vehicle manufacturer’s tire replacement recommendations, when
specified (but not to exceed 10 years).
The date when a tire was manufactured is located on the sidewall of each tire. Consumers
should locate the Department of Transportation or DOT code on the tire that begins with
DOT and ends with the week and year of manufacture. For example, a DOT code ending
with “0304” indicates a tire made in the 3rd week (Jan) of 2004. (See back.)
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2014, 08:38:27 am »

Thanks Tom.  A helpful for you for that enlightening information.

Apparently I am not crazy after-all.  At least not with our PC tires.  Smile
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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2014, 08:40:31 pm »

Well, I was happy to get 41,000 on the old tires. My tires were inspected by my local Michelin dealer before our first trip. The same man inspects them every spring when I go for my State Vehicle Inspection sticker. MY PC has a physical every year. From shocks to steering to muffler to springs, and engine, fluids, but most  of all Tires.  Like the tractor I drove when working I have a rigorous PM schedule. Although the vehicle is stored outdoors with tires covered the tires do sit off the ground during the winter and on boards during the summer. Now I face the chore of re caulking the whole thing. 

Kevin my tires Hold Air as well.... I think   LOL

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