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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2010, 03:45:45 pm »

Donald,
Thanks for jumping in.  I appreciate your input.  I wasn't sure if I wanted the swivel passenger seat.  I guess it is good to have.  I will look into the windshield cover. 

Since you have the 2350 model, do you have any thoughts on the smaller arm for the side view mirrors?  I'm still haven't made a decision on that.  Thanks-
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2010, 04:58:46 pm »

Echo11, do you have a name? I feel silly calling you Echo11 all the time.

    My short arm mirrors in no way impeade my viewing the lanes next to me or changing lanes. The only issue with them is the cars that are hiding behind me just outside the camera view. If either of us shifts left or right in the lane, or we go around a curve, I can see them. If the sun is to the side of us, I can see their shadow. I have not had any problems keeping track of them. I know Ron and some others pefer the wider arms for seeing behind themseleves, and I respect them for that, but I don't feel their need. You have to know that Ron is from Chicago and we all know how they drive up there. Just kidding you Ron.  I took a picture of my PC headon before the rains started, but it does not really show you how good or bad the mirrors work.  I will try and post it here, but I have never done that before now. You can see my rig at Yellowstone in the "Adventure anywhere" page off the home page. It is the brown one. I will try the Insert image button above now, here goes nothing. Well that didn't work. Sorry.

    There are several changes to the 2011 besides the windows, They changed the TV speakers, the monitor panel is now behind the driver's seat and the Microwave has changed. There maybe other changes that I have missed or that are done during the model year. Phoenix does not seem to make any major changes from year to year unless the bring out a new model like the 2910. They just seem to keep improving the current model with upgrades. That is one of the reason I like this brand. Also it will help if and when I go to sell it, the buyer knowing that they are getting close to the same thing that is currently offered.

    I had three different people tell me how much they like our motorhome this weekend. One was when I was in traffic in downtown Gettysburg. He was walking down the street and stop to tell me how much he liked it. He then asked if I would sell it to him. Of course I told him "no way", he would have to get his own. The size, shape and the full body paint really turns people on the this motorhome. This was another time I was glad I had the short arm mirrors as the road was very narrow with lots of traffic. We like to sit inside and watch the people walking by in the campgrounds and how they point at the rig.

    Got to go for now.

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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2010, 05:00:29 pm »

Best $50 bucks I have spent at Camping World was for the windshield cover.  Santa Fe last week was warm and the AC kept up well during the day with it on. Since the campground had a West facing spot (I got it) it was nice to try out for that purpose alone.

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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2010, 05:23:42 pm »

Tom-
Thanks for all the reponses.  I do have a name- it's Roni.  I just thought it would be confusing to start changing how I was signing.

I am going to ask about ordering the shorter arms.  I just read an article about where the side mirrors should be in relation to the side of the rig.  It would lead me to believe the shorter arms might be better.  Actually, that's why I was interested in the photo.

http://www.fmca.com/polks-top-7/3161-polks-top-7-tips-for-maximizing-your-motorhome-mirrors

Thanks again for all who are so willing to share thier knowledge!
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2010, 08:20:52 pm »

Roni

I do have the long mirror arm and I am pretty nervous about it too. Especially when I am going down a two lane road when a 18 wheeler is coming towards me. The longer arm feel like wings that are ready to clip off the road side mail box. Its just a matter of time before I will exchange it for the shorter arm mirror.

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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2010, 08:40:51 pm »

Hi Roni:

Welcome to our fold.  We have 2010 2350 with swivel passenger seat. There are four in our family and need to have that passenger seat for seating at night. If there are two in your family and will never have guests then there is no need for that seat.  That curtain is a pain in you know what.  I am getting the window cover in the spring. I had one in my old MH and loved it. If you put one of those covers on the fan in the bathroom you have to remember to open the bathroom door. I forget to do that lots....  I swear that my bathroom door closes by itself.   As far as the mirrors, in my humble opinion they don't stick out that far.  If you are that close to another rig then I am thinking you have yourself in some serious --- and the smaller mirror won't help you then.  As far as the thermo windows goes, they are nice option, but I could not justify the cost.  I would love if all those people that have little yippy dogs that wake up at 6 in the morning had them.  Then I would not hear them..

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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2010, 09:53:42 pm »

I have a 2010 2350 with slide out and passenger swivel chair. When you are parked at the campground ground and you have the swivel chair turn around, the sliding curtain will cut off the chair making it impossible to sit in it.
I wonder if this problem occured when the seat design was changed to the puffier style.
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2010, 09:57:13 pm »

Ron,
   On the 2350 with the slide like I have, they put the fresh water tank, water pump, sub woofer and the furance under the rear bed. Without the slide they put the furance under the reefer or the tall closet, I don't remeber which I saw. I don't know where the sub woofer went without the slide. Sorry if I caused any confusion.
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Got It Tom.  Thanks for the clarity on the deviations.  I wonder if this change came to be when the fridge became part of the slideout.  I wonder then, what is under the fridge?  Is it a storage cabinet?
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2010, 07:28:04 am »

Ron, I believe you are right about the 2010 slide with the reefer in it being the change point. There is nothing under the reefer because there is a 4" hump for the slide.
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2010, 07:32:52 am »

Hi Roni, nice to meet you. If you want and I wish everyone would, you can go into your profile and add your name and which motorhome you have. It will then be posted with all your messages. See the the bottom of this message for an example. HiThere
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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2010, 01:51:18 pm »

Tom,
Thanks so much for your help! 

When I asked about switching the arms for the side mirrors to the shorter ones, it seems the 2011 will come with the shorter arms.
 
Due to your suggestion, I have added the on/ off switch for the sub woofer.
 
I was able to check into the fantastic fan question and there is still only one in the bedroom area.  The bath fan, as you mentioned, is still a little one.  I will have a vent cover over the bedroom/ living area fan.  Possibly, at some point, I will change the fan in the bathroom to a fantastic fan.
 
As you noted, the windows have changed.  They crank out from the bottom and are frameless. 

We have also upgraded the water pump to a Shurflo Smart Sensor pump. 

We are still in the process of finalizing the order.  It is very exciting!  We're still a bit nervous about getting the order the way it will work best for us.

We appreciate all the help we have received along the way with this process, from all that have responded.
Thanks!
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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2010, 12:47:21 am »

Just for info.  We have a 2350 and we needed another seat for our baby granddaughter.  Stewart suggested replacing the barrel chair with another Ford swivel/reclining Captains seat locking in the forward position.  It works great and can swivel and recline to any position. Much more comfortable than the barrel chair.  They also added forward and aft tie downs for the seat anchored to the frame.
     We also had a MAXAIR Maxxfan, model #6200 with remote.  When closed it has a very low profile and when open it is still a streamlined low profile.  It can be left open all the time as no rain can get in.  Look at the green 2350 on the new brochure and you will see how low a profile it is. 
      One other subject.  The width of your outside mirrors.  The mirrors are designed a certain width as the law in most states requires your rear visibility to be able to see a point a specific distance directly behind your vehicle.  If you shorten the arms, that point will move much farther aft of your vehicle, thereby creating a very large blind spot. 
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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2010, 10:39:12 am »

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You wrote "One other subject.  The width of your outside mirrors.  The mirrors are designed a certain width as the law in most states requires your rear visibility to be able to see a point a specific distance directly behind your vehicle.  If you shorten the arms, that point will move much farther aft of your vehicle, thereby creating a very large blind spot. " Where did you get this information from?

The shorter arm mirrors we are talking about are made by Remco, the same manufacture that makes the longer arm mirrors. They are made for motorhomes that are 93' to 96" wide, like ours. The long arms are for motorhomes that are greater than 96" up to 102".  Coach House has been using these short arm mirrors for years. I would have to think that they are legal in all states, but I am not a lawyer. I understand that Phoenix USA is now using the short arm mirrors as standard equipment for 2011.  Please clear up your statement for me.
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« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2010, 11:23:27 am »

We have a 2350 and we needed another seat for our baby granddaughter.  Stewart suggested replacing the barrel chair with another Ford swivel/reclining Captains seat locking in the forward position.  It works great and can swivel and recline to any position. Much more comfortable than the barrel chair.  They also added forward and aft tie downs for the seat anchored to the frame.
Bob, This is valuable information to me.  I did measure & compare the size and area of my captain and barrel chairs.  There did seem to be enough room for a 3rd captain chair in the barrel position.  I priced a new chair from the PC-USA 2007 seat supplier, Pauls Seating.  My 2007 model is called a Lexus.  With both arm rests, Paul's price is $375.  With no armrests, it's $365.  I'd get both armrests unless there is a clearence problem.  Watching TV, reading, or simply relaxing in that chair in-place of the barrel chair would be so so so much better.  For me with the fixed dinette, I can use the adjacent dinette bench to rest my legs.

Could you elaborate on the forward/aft tie-downs?  I would greatly appreciate pictures of your 3rd captain chair, it's pedistal, tie-downs, etc.  I would hate to order a 3rd chair from Paul's Seating, just to find out there is a problem.  I wonder if I'll need a special pedistal for it, rather than re-use my barrel pedistal.
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« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2010, 02:06:26 pm »

This is just one example of a state requirement for mirror visibility. This happens to be Idaho. 
    Bob

TITLE 49
MOTOR VEHICLES
CHAPTER 9
VEHICLE EQUIPMENT
49-940.MIRRORS. (1) Every motor vehicle shall be equipped with a mirror so located as to reflect to the operator a view of the highway for a distance of at least two hundred (200) feet to the rear of the vehicle.
(2)  When a motor vehicle is so loaded or constructed, or is towing a vehicle or trailer which is so loaded or constructed as to obstruct the drivers view straight to the rear, then the motor vehicle shall be equipped with a mirror on the left side and a mirror on the right side so located as to reflect to the operator a view of the highway for a distance of at least two hundred (200) feet to the rear of the vehicle.
(3)  When an operator of a motor vehicle is transporting under special permit authority an oversize load which makes mirrors impractical devices for reflecting to the operator a view of the highway to the rear, a following escort vehicle equipped with proper mirrors meeting the requirements herein may be substituted for the required mirrors on the hauling motor vehicle. The escort vehicle must be a car or light truck and it must be equipped with an oversize load sign, flashing or rotating lights, and a two (2) way radio which provides full-time communication with the escorted vehicle.
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