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Carol
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« Reply #975 on: May 21, 2017, 09:43:47 am »

Llamas!  Wow!
Welcome.  It sounds like you have great expertise outside of the typical box.  Enjoy your preparations and we look forward to any questions and contributions!
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« Reply #976 on: May 21, 2017, 11:44:47 pm »

Hello everyone,

We just ordered a 2350 4x4 450 a couple months ago. We live in Oregon, my wife is retired, I'm still at it for awhile.
We enjoy back country camping, have owned several trailers over the years, still own at least 5 tents from wall tents to bivey sacks. Have camped off mountain bikes pulling trailers to owning a pack string of llamas. This is our first Motorhome. We spent at least a year looking for an ideal rig, and didn't find one! We will be making some major modifications to our 2350 once we get it.
I appreciate the forum and all it has to offer!

Doug
Welcome Doug!

If you did not catch this one.....The factory does a lot of special requests, and done so affordably.  So if you have a lot of things to change, the factory may be able to take care of some of your list, done at the ideal time during the construction process.
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« Reply #977 on: May 22, 2017, 09:34:54 am »

We also bought a 2017 - 2351 4 X 4 and had many modifications done at he factory for minimal cost.  I second the suggestion that it would be cost effective and easier to have modifications done when built.
Everyone was great to work with but make sure you have any changes in writing and any parts you have to supply shipped to the factory in a timely manner. 

Enjoy the process,
Dave
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« Reply #978 on: May 22, 2017, 03:50:58 pm »

Carol, Ron, and Dave,
Thanks for the suggestions.
We are having the factory do some changes, mostly deletes, and some adds that they are comfortable doing.
When I said major modifications I'm talking about getting a 60" wide(queen size) bed basically where the current one is now,
adding more batteries, and external storage. Thats probably talk for another part of this forum.
Good to meet you,
Doug
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« Reply #979 on: May 31, 2017, 05:12:04 pm »

  My name is Esther Newton, I live in Ann Arbor, Michigan for seven months of the year and North Fort Myers, FL for the winter. I have been RVing for about 15 years now and have had a variety of rigs, starting with a small Airstream trailer, going up to a 35 ft. class A, and back down again as my needs changed.  Last month I bought a PC, 2350 because a friend of mine (also on the forum) had bought one of the larger models and loved it.  She knows more about how things work than I do, and when I said I was thinking of getting a different small B+ she said no, get the PC.  It so happened that the dealer closest to my Florida home had one in stock.  I previously owned a diesel Via on a sprinter chassis that was the same length as the 2350, and loved many things about it but not having to go the Mercedes dealers (if they would service it), and the engine was finicky, always sending warning lights that were hard to interpret and potentially scary.  I've had several Ford 350 chassis, and they were reliable and simple, so I was glad to go back to that.

  Have only used the PC so far to drive up from Florida to Michigan, but so far so good (but see below).  My main use now is weekends, I have two miniature poodles that I compete with in the sport of dog agility, and I hate staying at motels at the show sites.  But my partner and I will be taking a short vacation to northern Michigan in July and somehow squeezing a large standard poodle in too. Wish us luck. That will be the shake down cruise.  After that I'll be going to Elkhart to get the macerator fixed -- for some reason it is not working.
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« Reply #980 on: May 31, 2017, 05:34:36 pm »

Welcome.

Call the factory about the macerated, they might be able to tell you what needs fixing. It might be something simple that you can do to fix it.

 It is always fun to see the factory.
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« Reply #981 on: May 31, 2017, 06:06:41 pm »

Welcome Esther,

We live in Highland, MI not far from you.  We owned a 2350 and now a 2551.  You made a good choice going with a PC.  If we can help you with anything please do not hesitate to ask.

We camp a lot up North so maybe we'll see you on the road.  We camp at Fort Myers Beach during March and North Fort Myers during Jan and Feb.

Barry and Sue
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« Reply #982 on: June 29, 2017, 11:33:03 pm »

Hello. Not sure I am doing this properly.

I have a 2350 plus one foot and am considering purchasing a 2100.

From the reading I have done it seems the 2100 is a little heavy in the rear. Is this a concern? I am not a mechanic. Is there something I can do to the frame or chassis or whatever to make things stronger, handle easier or whatever? I have no idea about mechanics and do not want to purchase something that is to short and tall and with an unequal weight distribution. Any comments or suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks.
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« Reply #983 on: June 30, 2017, 08:10:13 am »

Hi MaggieM,

What you own today is model 2351.  I personally love that model.  We have owned our 2350 for 10 years and love it, but a 2351 with all the benefits from the extra foot would make our 2350 better yet.

Now about your concerns with model 2100.  I have never driven one nor even walked through one.  But from what I have learned with our 2350 along with 2100 owner comments, the 2100 is going to be the worst handling (or should I say "the least favored") model of all Phoenix Cruisers.  It comes down to how the house weight and it's contents are distributed between the front and rear tires, and from your question and concerns, you seem to already understand that.

If I were buying a 2100, I think I would do what I had done with our 2007 2350, making the following suspension improvements, all specifically to address handling issues.

- installing a heavy duty rear stabilizer bar (our 2350 had no bar of any kind)
- replacing the stock front stabilizer bar with a heavy duty one
- replacing the shocks with heavy duty ones specifically for a motor home.
- adding a rear trac bar (this eliminates "Tail Wagging")
- replacing the stock steering stabilizer with a heavy duty one specifically for a motor home.

I did not implement my next suggestion into our 2350 but feel it properly addresses the issue with the rear end sagging.  I feel every 2100 would benefit from one or two extra leaf springs for each rear corner to lift the rear to the proper height.  If I increased the height of our 2350, I fear it would not fit in our garage, so we live with our slight rear end sag.  As for you, adding rear air bags as others have done will lift the rear end as well, but I feel increasing the stack of leaf springs is addressing the matter properly and most reliably.

For people who are not mechanically inclined, I also recommend going to the right shop to get the work done.  We took our 2350 to THIS shop, shared to give you an idea of the type of shop I am suggesting.

Once everything is completed, I would then have a front wheel alignment with the rig loaded up with water, gear, food, even added weight to represent people and pets.  A wheel alignment is strongly influenced by the weight of the house and contents, and the distribution of their weight.  You want the rig to represent a typical trip weight (and weight distribution) during the alignment process.  The shop I suggested made a special modification to the front suspension to get it aligned properly.  They installed off-set bushings.  The topic of a front end alignment on a rig with poor weight distribution is it's own discussion.

I see it's your first post.  Welcome!
Ron Dittmer
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« Reply #984 on: June 30, 2017, 05:54:35 pm »

    We have had our 2100 for almost 5 years and 25,000 miles. We have done all the things Ron listed and it made all the difference in handling.  We opted for the air bags over adding spring leafs.  We researched it and spoke with a couple different shops as well as a relative who lives in another state that is in the automotive business. Can't remember why we went the air bag route, but it was based on all the advice. It does make the ride a little rougher--you feel every pot hole, but did lift the rear about 2". We also put drag rollers on the trailer hitch so that when we did hit ground there was "protection" such as it is. When we look at them, they have been well used.
     Also, t this time we have disconnected the Sani-Con and use the BSH (big stinky hose) which stores along with a hose very nicely in the compartment on the side where I removed the Sani-Con hose. We still use the electric holding tank switches as well as the sprayer. Because the macerater hangs so low and, on the 2100, is so close to the bumper, it is always in peril. We camp in lots of national forest campgrounds and hazards are everywhere. I say "at this time" because we are heading to Alaska in a few weeks and did not want to take a chance on cracking another one when traveling in such wild country for so long. We will reassess when we return, but so far we have not found the BSH to be a hassle. Bonuses are that we now have one of the clear cuffs on the BSH so we know when the black tank is clear and both tanks empty and it eliminates the concern of something getting into a holding tank that will jam up/damage the macerater.
     That's my 2 cents worth. If you want to discuss more just private message me.................Nicki
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« Reply #985 on: July 08, 2017, 03:27:24 pm »

Greetings from Northern Minnesota!

My wife, Karen, and I began looking at Class B's this spring after a wonderful trip to the Black Hills staying in B & B's (our first time).  We discovered how much we enjoy traveling and, with all four of our boys out of the "nest" (youngest is still in college), we are looking hard at going south for a couple of months during the winter.  We began our search looking at Class B's due to the ability to go anywhere, camp almost anywhere and be self-sufficient for short periods of time.  Though my wife did not grow up like I did being a "camper", she has an interest in seeing the country in relative comfort...with a bed, bathroom (toilet and shower), and kitchen.  Neither of us has any experience with RV's but, to date, we've looked at Winnebago (Paseo and Travato) and will be looking at PleasureWay, RoadTrek, and Leisure Travel Vans in the next week or so.  Though hoping to stay under 22 feet in length - so she will feel comfortable driving, too - we haven't come across a unit that appears to meet our perceived needs.  Then I came across PC being referenced in a forum and immediately checked it out.  I was intrigued and sent her a link.  Her response was immediate, "This is so perfect I could cry".  So, long story short, we're looking intently at PC and I spoke with Earl this past week.  We would like to see one in person and know that a trip to the factory may be necessary at some point.  If any of you live in the Duluth area - or might be passing through - please consider contacting us so we could meet and see your PC.

Briefly, we're looking at the smaller PC's - 2350, 2351 (with sofa/chair/bed)...either with or without a slide.  Not sure about new or used yet - so many unanswered questions until we can physically see one.

Thanks for any help or advice you might be able to share.

God Bless,
Wayne

P.S.  I've already read and learned so much on the forum...but I am truly impressed with the willingness each of you have to help one another.
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« Reply #986 on: July 08, 2017, 07:07:45 pm »

Welcome Wayne7. . .She Who Must Be Obeyed (SWMBO) loves driving our 24 ft PC Sprinter.  We used to full time in a 40 ft Foretravel Class A and although she could drive it (she took a class), she was never comfortable at the wheel.  After getting off the full time road, we had a short time of ownership of a 17 ft Casita trailer pulled behind our Hyundai Santa Fe which was an easy drive.  After getting rid of the Casita, we found the wonderful world of Phoenix Cruisers, and the rest is history.  Since I did 97% of the driving in our 20 years of assorted RV ownership, she now does 98% of driving Fawkes, our 2012 PC2400 Sprinter.  We bought used so we could afford a diesel powered rig, the new ones being beyond our pension driven economy.  A trip to the factory is a good idea. . .we took the factory tour and saw how well Phoenix builds their RVs.  Good luck to you.
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« Reply #987 on: July 08, 2017, 10:49:09 pm »

Welcome Wayne and Karen,

Now the fun begins trying to determine what the perfect PC looks like in your driveway.  There are some used 2350s and a rare 2351 out there, but you will likely need to travel to buy it.  On the main Google search page, type in "Phoenix Cruiser 2350" which will list webpages of them.  Some web pages are "for sale" ads.  You might get lucky and find one for sale within reasonable driving distance from you.  Regardless of the color scheme and options, finding one for sale near by will be a good opportunity for you to walk through what you think is right for you.  Maybe the seller will allow you to test drive it too.

As far as what model year PC to consider, I would limit myself to one no older than a 2004 model year which has the integrated rear spare tire compartment like the new 2017s have.  Some early 2004s have a simple back wall which I feel is just too big of a compromise for structural integrity.

Mid year 2006, Phoenix added a second house battery for a total of 2 house batteries, and also added a whole house inverter.  I personally feel the two batteries for the house is "A Must" for a primitive camping lifestyle.

The 2008 Ford E350 and E450 chassis (The first year with dump truck front grill) is better mechanically than previous years but has the same style dash board as previous years.  The 2009 has the current-day dash board with improved accessory ports and a glove box.  Things kept getting better along the way so the general rule is....."The newer, The better" with regard to the chassis.  At the same time, I wouldn't worry about a 2006 or 2007 E350 PC2350 with 2 house batteries for they are not inferior, just not as capable with regard to the load they can carry.  The only matter is that they are finiky with regards to handling.  Our 2007 PC2350 built on a 2007 E350 chassis required suspension improvements for best handling which I had done and so it is better than an unmodified 2017 E350 PC2350.  So just understand that buying a 2006/2007 could require a few thousand extra dollars for a comfortable driving experience.  You can save a pile of money and make the improvements yourself which many RVers do.

Ron Dittmer
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« Reply #988 on: July 09, 2017, 12:51:27 am »

Thank you, Jeff and Ron for the thoughtful replies.  My wife will be encouraged that Suzanne is not intimidated by driving a vehicle the length of the 2400.  I love to be the passenger on occasion so I would appreciate the "team" approach in driving.  BTW, my wife will appreciate that acronym, too!

Ron, your information on years and relevant feature changes is extremely helpful.  In my previous reading on this forum you have always provided detailed and well thought out replies - likely due to your engineering background.   I remember that you also mentioned you saw a Ford Transit chassis at the PC factory.  Do you know if they are considering this chassis for a future PC?  I was impressed with the Transit chassis and especially the Ecoboost engine during my test-drive of the Winnebago Paseo (and further research).  My sense is it might be a bit under-powered and undersized for a full-featured PC...even a shorter one.
 
We look forward to any additional information from other PC owners that would be a help as we continue the journey.

Thanks again,
Wayne
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« Reply #989 on: July 09, 2017, 07:46:59 am »

Hi Wayne and welcome. Did you see the 2351 that was posted yesterday under the "for sale by owner" on this forum? I don't think it will stay for sale very long. 
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