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Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use?
« Reply #75 on: November 08, 2012, 04:35:29 pm »
5k lbs weight limit on the PC hitch. GC over that. :'(

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« Reply #76 on: November 08, 2012, 07:05:30 pm »
Greg

You might be able to change out the existing 5K hitch for a 10K hitch.

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« Reply #77 on: November 08, 2012, 08:14:52 pm »
Do I need to actually weigh the Grand Cherokee, or can I go by the curb weight?  The 2002 GC I'm looking at has a curb weight of 3970 lbs.  According to Edmunds.com the Liberty is within 100 or so lbs. of the curb weight of the Grand Cherokee.  What do you suggest?
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« Reply #78 on: November 09, 2012, 12:46:54 pm »
Greg

Curb weight is the total weight of a vehicle with standard equipment, all necessary operating consumables (i.e., motor oil and coolant), a full tank of fuel, while not loaded with either passengers or cargo.

Starting at 3,970 you need to add the weight of any options that were installed at the factory (i.e. skid plates and 4WD) or anything added by a previous owner, plus the weight of the towbar, plus the weight of any cargo you add to the GC.  Easiest way to determine the weight of the CG is to go to a scale and get it weighed.  This can usually be done for about $10.

I looked at the hitch on our 2012 2551 and the hitch is bolted to the frame.  It looks simple enough to remove and have a higher rated hitch installed.

Barry
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« Reply #79 on: November 09, 2012, 01:02:44 pm »
Thanks so much for the advice.  Since I'm looking to purchase a vehicle to tow, I probably need to look for something lighter to start with so I don't push the limit of the 2551 itself.   Appreciate all the info!  The search continues.....
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« Reply #80 on: November 09, 2012, 02:47:31 pm »
Greg

The limit is with the hitch not the 2551.  The PC would be able to pull a 6,000 pound toad with a good health safety margin.

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Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use?
« Reply #81 on: November 09, 2012, 03:57:23 pm »
Greg

Curb weight is the total weight of a vehicle with standard equipment, all necessary operating consumables (i.e., motor oil and coolant), a full tank of fuel, while not loaded with either passengers or cargo.

Starting at 3,970 you need to add the weight of any options that were installed at the factory (i.e. skid plates and 4WD) or anything added by a previous owner, plus the weight of the towbar, plus the weight of any cargo you add to the GC.  Easiest way to determine the weight of the CG is to go to a scale and get it weighed.  This can usually be done for about $10.

I looked at the hitch on our 2012 2551 and the hitch is bolted to the frame.  It looks simple enough to remove and have a higher rated hitch installed.

Barry


I would definitely be talking with PC before I did that: reasoning is that most of the frames have been sectioned and plugged.  On the 2007 I had, parts welded in were not full length welds, so by default the new parts were not as strong as the original frame, from which all those numbers derive.

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Re: Toads or tow vehicles? What brand do you use?
« Reply #82 on: November 09, 2012, 06:42:31 pm »
5k lbs weight limit on the PC hitch. GC over that. :'(

The label on the hitch on my 2010 2551 has two ratings;

For weight distributing type hitch: 6,000 lb max trailer wt and 750 lb max tongue weight

For weight carrying ball mount type hitch, 5,000 lb max trailer and 500 lb max tongue

Not sure why the hitch type allows for different trailer weights, but maybe towing a vehicle with essentially no tongue weight would be ok up to the 6,000 lbs??



I would definitely be talking with PC before I did that: reasoning is that most of the frames have been sectioned and plugged.  On the 2007 I had, parts welded in were not full length welds, so by default the new parts were not as strong as the original frame, from which all those numbers derive.

Regarding the frame extension reinforcement not being full length welds:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/non-html/Q18.pdf

This Ford document describes the recommended procedure to lengthen the frame and the preferred method is skip welding and specifically leaves some areas of the reinforcement piece unwelded to allow flexing and to eliminate stress risers that could lead to cracking.  The document describes in detail the disassembly, lengthening, and reassembly procedures, very interesting if you like that sort of thing.

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« Reply #83 on: November 09, 2012, 07:34:54 pm »
I have had two E450 cut-a-way chassis motorhomes with lengthened frames, neither of which used the preferred or minimum acceptable method, and neither used the interrupted weld scheme outlined by Ford.  Material recommendations as to type (not metalurgical) were not followed. Also neither used the departure angle scheme outlined in the .pdf or provided the clearance recommended.

I'm kinda sorry I spent so much time under both now.

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« Reply #84 on: November 10, 2012, 03:54:44 pm »
I have had only one E450 chassis motorhome, my current 2010 2551, the frame extension looks exactly like the preferred method.  Can't tell what the metal type is, have to assume that the recommended material was used.

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« Reply #85 on: November 12, 2012, 12:37:38 pm »
We tow an '09 Honda Fit, four down.  Roadmaster Falcon All-Terrain towbar.  Brake Buddy
braking system for the Honda.  All from Craigslist including the Honda.

Also, we have two of those 4-conductor electrical sockets and on plug extra.  The ones
that connect the PC's lights to the toad's.  Holler if you could use them.  No cable, just the
sockets and plug.

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« Reply #86 on: November 05, 2014, 07:13:07 pm »
We're looking to toad a outlander 4x4 in a 5x8 trailer this year. Any discussion on this type of toad?
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« Reply #87 on: November 05, 2014, 07:36:23 pm »
Denny and Barb

PC hitch is rated at 5,000 pounds and the Outlander comes in at 4,800 - 5,000 plus pounds.  When you add a trailer you would be way over the limit of the standard PC hitch.

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« Reply #88 on: November 05, 2014, 08:10:45 pm »
2010 Honda CRV (4 wheel drive). Did a LOT of research before we bought something that could be towed 4 down and decided on CRV. No complaints!

The CRV's, any of them are not 4 wheel drive. They are all wheel drive, and it's not the same thing.

Saying that, we know a couple of folks that tow Chevy Sonics 4 down. They love the car and the tow....
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« Reply #89 on: November 06, 2014, 08:53:12 am »
Barry...  My Outlander is an ATV at 780 lbs.  Must be something else out there with the same name?
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