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« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2011, 08:38:23 am »

Hey sajohnson,

That 2000 PC is back on ebay.  Apparently the winng bidder backed out of the deal.  The seller has it up on auction again this time with a buy-it-now for $12,000.  I would go check it out in person and if I liked it, I would offer $11,000 on the side, without ebay involvement.  He could then end the sale on ebay and sell it outright to you without ebay fees.

That rig is in your general area, right?

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« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2012, 04:22:56 am »

Hey sajohnson,

That 2000 PC is back on ebay.  Apparently the winng bidder backed out of the deal.  The seller has it up on auction again this time with a buy-it-now for $12,000.  I would go check it out in person and if I liked it, I would offer $11,000 on the side, without ebay involvement.  He could then end the sale on ebay and sell it outright to you without ebay fees.

That rig is in your general area, right?

Click Here To See It On Ebay

File this one under better late than never...

Sorry Ron, I didn't see this, or did and forgot to reply.  I appreciate you looking out for DW and I.  Intellectually I know it probably makes more sense to buy a 2000 PC gasser for $11-$12K than it does to buy a newer Sprinter-based PC 2350, but I think we're going to stick with a relatively new rig.

We're still looking -- I'll continue in another post.
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« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2012, 04:25:51 am »

If I haven't said so already, a big thank you to Tom Hanlon for showing us his beautiful 2350 before he traded it in.  I would have no problem buying any rig he owned.
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« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2012, 05:06:18 am »

OK, I'm back. Wink

DW and I are still looking for the RV that's as close to perfect as possible.  Where we're at:

We really do not care for the cab-over look, but slick as they are the WGO View Profile/Navion iQ are out for several reasons, including:  tiny joke of a galley sink; single door fridge; cheap two burner stove; and the rear slide which would interfere with our plans to carry an Enduro motorcycle on a hitch mounted carrier.

That means we are still considering the Sprinter-based PC 2350, and we are also looking at the THOR sisters -- Citation, Siesta, and Dorado Sprinter.  The THOR rigs leave a few things to be desired, but they do have some good features -- what appears to be a nice U-shaped dinette, and a cab-over bunk (which we don't need but it seems more versatile than cabinets and/or an ent. center).

Anyway...I read through this thread again to refresh my memory and it seems like the primary concern was that my height might be a problem.  I don't recall having any trouble when checking out Tom Hanlon's 2350, but it was a bit tight.

Ron said that at 5'11" and 180 he was comfortable in the dinette bed in his 2350 rig with no slide , but that at 6'2" I would not be.  I'm curious as to what the actual dimensions of the dinette bed are.  I couldn't find that info on PC's website.

Also, what are the cabinets and cabinet doors made from (solid wood, plywood, particle board)?

I seem to recall being able to stand up in the Shower in Tom's 2350, but I'd like to have the dimensions of the shower.

Other than the addition of the side slide (with the smaller dinette) are there any other differences from year to year between the Sprinter-based 2350s?

What year did PC first start offering the Sprinter chassis?

What is the "1/4" plastic fluted sheet underbelly" that PC refers to in their brochure?

What are some options that are worth looking for?  I was thinking about the: passenger swivel seat; leather; fantastic vent; insulated glass; back-up monitor; leveling jacks (weight may be an issue though); mirror w/ compass and outside temp; diesel generator.  Any suggestions/thoughts?

I know diesel gensets can be louder than LP fueled ones, and they can be smelly.  The reason I'm considering one is to conserve LP.  Even with a larger LP tank it is an issue, and the PC rigs have relatively small 42 lb LP tanks.

Well, that should be enough for now...

Thanks.

 
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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2012, 01:56:13 pm »

Given my unit is now 5 years old, I cannot address many of your questions without potential inaccuracies.  Hopefully someone with a 2012 Sprinter will chime in.

PC-USA introduced the Sprinter chassis in the 2009 model year.

In 2008-2009 when motor home manufactures were going bankrupt in droves, Phoenix bought up may 2008 Sprinter chassis at RV bankruptcy auctions.  The company then offered Sprinter PCs for the same price as their Ford versions.  It helped the company survive through a very difficult time in our economy, and it gave PC-Sprinter owners an exceptional value.  Everybody came out a winner.

So if you consider purchasing a 2009 or 2010 Sprinter based PC-2350 or PC-2400, chances are it has a 2008 Sprinter chassis.

The plastic fluted underbelly is "Fantastic".  Every motor home manufacture should have it.  That thick bonded-to-the-floor corregated plastic sheet protects the flooring from the elements, along with adding a little extra thermal protection in winter.  Somebody on the web actually put it down as some sort of cheap construction method.  Obviously he had no idea what he is talking about.

I like your ideas on options and features.  We got the same (though a gas generator) and highly recommend you consider them.

A couple things I would consider deleting.
- Leave off the rear ladder and roof rack (a very personal preference)  others will argue otherwise.  I required they give it to me in pieces so if I change my mind later, I have everything I need.  So far no regrets.
- Forget the Winegard antenna as I find it useless where needed most, outside of towns.  If near a city, the digital signal is too touchy with lots of sound cut-out and pixelation.  It works inside a city where you are forced to stay in RV parks which all have CATV.  So we never use the antenna.  Then adding that it puts so many holes into the front B+ aero-cap wiith lots of ugly caulk, and it likes to rattle when in transit.  It's just a bad thing to have since the country went "digital".  I wish I knew better, and refused it in 2007 when analog was still in-place.  I would pay PC-USA to keep it next time, if there was a next time.
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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2012, 03:23:36 pm »

We had a 2010 PC 2350 Sprinter and loved it but felt that we needed a larger rig with twin beds so we traded it in on a 2011 PC 2551.

I need to disagree with Ron on a couple of  his suggestions:
We ordered the Sprinter without the ladder. Yes, it makes the rear of the Coach look cleaner; however, on our 2551, we had the ladder and roof rack installed and are VERY glad we did. On the way home to Florida from Virginia in September, a screw on the roof vent fell off and the vent cover came up (at 65 MPH on RT. 81). We pulled off and I climbed up onto the roof of the motorhome, pushed the vent cover back down and we returned the screw to the vent. If we didn't have the ladder on the back, that would not have been fixed in a timely manner and we may have lost the cover.

We use the Winegard antenna all the time. The newer antennas are equipped with a booster so the t.v comes in very clear. We find no rattling of the antenna when underway and do not find the signal touchy. Remember, not all RV  parks (even near cities) have cable. We frequently stay at a Corps of Engineers Park near Ft. Myers and use the antenna to pick up Ft. Myers stations.

The only option that you list that we would not want is the mirror with compass and outside temp. We are very happy with the Sony monitor with an 8" extension. It puts the monitor where your rearview mirror should be. You are right on with all the other options.
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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2012, 04:11:17 pm »

I need to disagree with Ron on a couple of  his suggestions:

.......we had the ladder and roof rack installed and are VERY glad we did.

.......We frequently stay at a Corps of Engineers Park near Ft. Myers and use the antenna to pick up Ft. Myers stations.
And there you have your different opinions.

About the antenna, we too have the booster yet have very limited use.  I suppose a lot depends on the types of places travelled to.  We do stay most often in the mountains and canyons where line-of-sight is dramatically disrupted, then the antenna isn't going to work.  Analog signals found their way around such obstacles much better.  And we could deal with a little snow on the screen much better than the sound cutting in and out with digital.  In Florida the only obstruction would be something man-made which is much more forgiving.  Admittedly, we very rarely camp under those types of conditions.
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« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2012, 04:13:04 pm »

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We have the passenger swivel seat (in leather) and it is great.  We also have the driver seat swivel and have used it many times during our 3 month stay in FL.  

We had a MaxxFan (6200K model) installed in place of the fantastic fan in the bedroom area and wish we had also put one in the living area instead of the fantastic fan.  The MaxxFan has many nice features and is much quieter than the fantastic fan.

The leveling jacks are wonderful, you won't regret that decision.

We also did not have any carpet installed except in the cab area.

We also use the TV antenna Winegard all of the time and never have had a problem.  We do not hear it bounce on the roof and it also has the digital booster.  We have been in remote areas, outside city limits and in metropolitan areas and have never experienced a problem.

The POWER Awning is another wonderful feature.  

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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2012, 08:24:58 pm »

Given my unit is now 5 years old, I cannot address many of your questions without potential inaccuracies.  Hopefully someone with a 2012 Sprinter will chime in.

PC-USA introduced the Sprinter chassis in the 2009 model year.

In 2008-2009 when motor home manufactures were going bankrupt in droves, Phoenix bought up may 2008 Sprinter chassis at RV bankruptcy auctions.  The company then offered Sprinter PCs for the same price as their Ford versions.  It helped the company survive through a very difficult time in our economy, and it gave PC-Sprinter owners an exceptional value.  Everybody came out a winner.

So if you consider purchasing a 2009 or 2010 Sprinter based PC-2350 or PC-2400, chances are it has a 2008 Sprinter chassis.

The plastic fluted underbelly is "Fantastic".  Every motor home manufacture should have it.  That thick bonded-to-the-floor corregated plastic sheet protects the flooring from the elements, along with adding a little extra thermal protection in winter.  Somebody on the web actually put it down as some sort of cheap construction method.  Obviously he had no idea what he is talking about.

I like your ideas on options and features.  We got the same (though a gas generator) and highly recommend you consider them.

A couple things I would consider deleting.
- Leave off the rear ladder and roof rack (a very personal preference)  others will argue otherwise.  I required they give it to me in pieces so if I change my mind later, I have everything I need.  So far no regrets.
- Forget the Winegard antenna as I find it useless where needed most, outside of towns.  If near a city, the digital signal is too touchy with lots of sound cut-out and pixelation.  It works inside a city where you are forced to stay in RV parks which all have CATV.  So we never use the antenna.  Then adding that it puts so many holes into the front B+ aero-cap wiith lots of ugly caulk, and it likes to rattle when in transit.  It's just a bad thing to have since the country went "digital".  I wish I knew better, and refused it in 2007 when analog was still in-place.  I would pay PC-USA to keep it next time, if there was a next time.

Hey Ron, good to hear from you again!

I was completely unaware of the history behind the Sprinter-based PC 2350 and 2400.  I wish I'd been in the market back then.  A diesel Sprinter for the price of a Ford gasser would have been hard to pass up (for us anyway, I realize others have different needs and priorities).

The plastic 'under-belly' is what I thought then, that's good to know.  The only concern I can think of is if the plastic were to get damaged then it might become a water trap -- but I haven't seen it so I have no idea if that's a potential issue.

I'm torn about the ladder -- you and Gradygal both make good points.  Offhand I'd say that if the main reason you leave it off is cosmetic, I'd probably leave it attached.  I agree that the rig looks better without it, but it isn't heavy and doesn't seem like it would get in the way.  Who knows, I might need to access something on the roof, or maybe we'd be watching wildlife or fireworks and want a a better vantage point.  I don't know, we'll have to see about that.

WRT the antenna, again, your reasoning is perfectly rational but Gradygal has apparently had a completely different experience.  I notice there is about a 3 year difference between you rigs.  Gradygal mentioned something about an antenna amp, I know they can help -- especially if they are mounted at the antenna (less noise is amplified that way).  The other thing that occurred to me is that perhaps your antennas have a different design?  Maybe Gradygal's is optimized for digital broadcast signals (ATSC) and yours is meant for the analog NTSC system?  Once again, I have no idea, just throwing that out there.

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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2012, 08:30:14 pm »

I need to disagree with Ron on a couple of  his suggestions:

.......we had the ladder and roof rack installed and are VERY glad we did.

.......We frequently stay at a Corps of Engineers Park near Ft. Myers and use the antenna to pick up Ft. Myers stations.
And there you have your different opinions.

About the antenna, we too have the booster yet have very limited use.  I suppose a lot depends on the types of places travelled to.  We do stay most often in the mountains and canyons where line-of-sight is dramatically disrupted, then the antenna isn't going to work.  Analog signals found their way around such obstacles much better.  And we could deal with a little snow on the screen much better than the sound cutting in and out with digital.  In Florida the only obstruction would be something man-made which is much more forgiving.  Admittedly, we very rarely camp under those types of conditions.

Ooops!  I should have scrolled down before posting.  I hadn't read this yet.  It sounds like you both have the same antenna and amplifier and just use them under different conditions.
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« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2012, 09:02:02 pm »

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We have the passenger swivel seat (in leather) and it is great.  We also have the driver seat swivel and have used it many times during our 3 month stay in FL.  

We had a MaxxFan (6200K model) installed in place of the fantastic fan in the bedroom area and wish we had also put one in the living area instead of the fantastic fan.  The MaxxFan has many nice features and is much quieter than the fantastic fan.

The leveling jacks are wonderful, you won't regret that decision.

We also did not have any carpet installed except in the cab area.

We also use the TV antenna Winegard all of the time and never have had a problem.  We do not hear it bounce on the roof and it also has the digital booster.  We have been in remote areas, outside city limits and in metropolitan areas and have never experienced a problem.

The POWER Awning is another wonderful feature.  

Good Luck in your search.


Thanks for the Maxxfan suggestion, that's the first I've heard of it.  If it's better than the Fantastic Fan then it must incredible!

I like the idea of the leveling jacks, but I'm concerned about the extra weight since we're almost certainly going with the Sprinter chassis.

This will be our first RV so there is quite a bit I don't know about -- like the awning.  Are manual awnings difficult to extend and retract? 

Thank you!
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« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2012, 09:07:53 pm »

We had a 2010 PC 2350 Sprinter and loved it but felt that we needed a larger rig with twin beds so we traded it in on a 2011 PC 2551.

I need to disagree with Ron on a couple of  his suggestions:
We ordered the Sprinter without the ladder. Yes, it makes the rear of the Coach look cleaner; however, on our 2551, we had the ladder and roof rack installed and are VERY glad we did. On the way home to Florida from Virginia in September, a screw on the roof vent fell off and the vent cover came up (at 65 MPH on RT. 81). We pulled off and I climbed up onto the roof of the motorhome, pushed the vent cover back down and we returned the screw to the vent. If we didn't have the ladder on the back, that would not have been fixed in a timely manner and we may have lost the cover.

We use the Winegard antenna all the time. The newer antennas are equipped with a booster so the t.v comes in very clear. We find no rattling of the antenna when underway and do not find the signal touchy. Remember, not all RV  parks (even near cities) have cable. We frequently stay at a Corps of Engineers Park near Ft. Myers and use the antenna to pick up Ft. Myers stations.

The only option that you list that we would not want is the mirror with compass and outside temp. We are very happy with the Sony monitor with an 8" extension. It puts the monitor where your rearview mirror should be. You are right on with all the other options.

Thanks for the reply Gradygal!

I'm curious, what is the Sony monitor with the 8" extension you referred to?  If it is any bigger than a typical portable GPS unit, I'm thinking it would obstruct the driver's vision if it is mounted where the rearview mirror should be.  Is it a PC factory option?

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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2012, 01:15:59 am »

I'm torn about the ladder -- you and Gradygal both make good points.  Offhand I'd say that if the main reason you leave it off is cosmetic.
The clean appearence is secondary.  We plan to own our rig for a very long time, 25-30 years, maybe longer.  When I examine older motor homes, that stuff becomes questionable whether it can be trusted.  Rusting screws, heavily oxidized aluminum parts and related hardware along with dried-up caulk is concerning both on the rear wall and roof where water penetration becomes a concern.  I feel the fewer holes in my roof and wall, the better.  Admittedly I have much larger holes like for the a/c, skylight and roof vents and such, but the roof rack, ladder and Winegard antenna are easy for me to delete.  And for some reason, old screws are a common source of water infiltration.

As mentioned by Gradygal, there will be a time where I'll wish I had the ladder on-the-spot......especially if my rig gets tangled up in branches or something.  But I will take my chances.  Hey, I still have my ladder & rack.  I can still mount them if I change my mind.  If I ever do, I would likely install just the ladder.

Every now and then someone donates an old motor home to the charity I volunteer at.  Those with ladders demonstrates to me I made a wise decision.
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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2012, 01:39:51 am »


I'm torn about the ladder -- you and Gradygal both make good points.  Offhand I'd say that if the main reason you leave it off is cosmetic.
The clean appearence is secondary.  We plan to own our rig for a very long time, 25-30 years, maybe longer.  When I examine older motor homes, that stuff becomes questionable whether it can be trusted.  Rusting screws, heavily oxidized aluminum parts and related hardware along with dried-up caulk is concerning both on the rear wall and roof where water penetration becomes a concern.  I feel the fewer holes in my roof and wall, the better.  Admittedly I have much larger holes like for the a/c, skylight and roof vents and such, but the roof rack, ladder and Winegard antenna are easy for me to delete.  And for some reason, old screws are a common source of water infiltration.

As mentioned by Gradygal, there will be a time where I'll wish I had the ladder on-the-spot......especially if my rig gets tangled up in branches or something.  But I will take my chances.  Hey, I still have my ladder & rack.  I can still mount them if I change my mind.  If I ever do, I would likely install just the ladder.

Every now and then someone donates an old motor home to the charity I volunteer at.  Those with ladders demonstrates to me I made a wise decision.

As Charlie Brown might say:  Aaaaargh!

Very good points Ron.  Now I'm really torn as to what to do.  It would be interesting to get PC's input.  Of course, since many/most of their rigs come with ladders PC may be reluctant to admit there are any safety and/or water infiltration issues related to the ladders (if there have been any).

Question:  What are the differences (if any) between the Sprinter-based 2350 and the F-350 based 2350?  For example, the aero-cap on the Sprinter-based rig appears to be much smaller.  Are there differences in the ent. center/storage cabinets between the Ford F-350 and Sprinter-based 2350s?

Thanks!

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« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2012, 08:30:33 am »

Hi Sherman,

First off, thank you for the nice compliment.

To address some of the remarks made here in the last few days with my two cents worth.

I have had the roof antenna on all my seven motorhomes since 1984 and have never had a leak problem. Ron has the older analog antenna with the upgrade for digital while the newer rigs all come with the turned for digital antenna. So you could see a difference in its ability to pickup distance signals.

Fantastic Fan company is one of the best company's I have ever dealt with. If anything ever goes wrong with the fan regardless of the age of the fan, they just send you new parts for free. One motorhome I bought came with a basic fan without a thermostat and I wanted to upgrade it for my dogs, so I called them and they not only sent me all the parts for free but had me call them when I went to install it so they could walk me thought the install. I will always stick with Fantastic for that reason alone regardless of what else is out there. I have put the Maxxair II vent covers on both my fans but now I understand that Fantastic is coming out with a new and better cover. I can hardly wait to see it.

The plastic underbelly is a good thing and is really strong. It would be very hard to punch a hole in it by accident. I would not worry about water getting into it and have not heard of anyone having any problems with it.

On both of my PCs, I got the ladder and passed on the roof rack. I do not like the looks of the rack, looks old fashion to me and is just something I have to clean around. I don't have the ability to keep my PC in a garage like Ron, so I have to wash it every month or so. When I wash it, I also wash the roof to prevent the "black streaks" on the sides. The ladder makes it easier to get up on the roof without having to get out a ladder. I also feel it is safer than a stand alone ladder that might slip off the motorhome. One time on the way to Myrtle Beach for Christmas break, I hit a low hanging ice covered branch at 50 mph. Really loud bang. I pulled over to the side of the road and used the ladder to climb up on the roof and look for a big hole. No hole but the satellite dish cover was gone. Never overnight a cover, it cost me $200 for the cover and surprise, $300 for the shipping. A ladder can be real handy at times.
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