sajohnson, you may be over thinking this whole issue. I know the sleeping arrangement is important, but it's not the most important consideration when buying a particular rv. My 2010 2350 couch has the air mattress. Not comfortable and prone to leaks. The mattress on the corner bed has an angle on one side/end that I would imagine would make it rather expensive to have another mattress made. Yesterday I laid on the new electric sofa that is constructed with memory foam, and it was very comfortable. The storage under my existing sofa is great considering the limited storage in the 2350, but I would trade it for the comfort of the new memory foam couch. In fact, I did. I purchased a new 2552--not just for the memory foam couch, but it was a consideration. I would suggest you look at your overall rv needs, and buy one that matches most of them. For the price, pc can't be beat. I love the driveability of my 2350, comfort and overall performance--and I have no regrets buying it. We're going full-time and wanted a little more room/storage, so we purchased the 2552. I could just as easily stayed with the 2350 and been very satisfied. My advice--call Stuart.
Hi Sherman, It might help you to make up a sheet with a list of your requirements running down the page. Next to each requirement list what you think you would prefer and what you don't want. You seem to be going in circles on your requirement and this may help slow you down so you can make an informed decision. You are the first person I have ever seen that is worried about the weight of the slide out. Two guys lift the side out up and place it into the hole in the wall of the PC. Then the guy inside puts the refer and sofa or dinette in the slide. So how much does the slide weight? Maybe a couple hundred pounds, maybe 500 lbs with the dinette and the refer, both of which you are going to get anyway.If I didn't tell you when you were here, you are always welcome to come back by to look at my PC and ask any question you have, try it on for size, or if you bring some cold ones and need to share with someone. Just give me a call or send an email. I too am retired so I am home during the day sometimes.
Sherman --- also, bear in mind that the new, split electric sofa will not fit in the sprinter, if your still thinking along that line. I'm told the additional height of the Sprinter prevents the new style sofa from resting on the floor when extended. (Personally, I have trouble comprehending this, but that's what I'm told by Phoenix). so, they are having the original electric sofa bed (before the air mattress) made with extra memory foam. This should work. I hope so, because we can't (don't) use the RV now because of the sofa - very frustrating On your question about memory foam with the air mattress - we tried 2 inch, and it was still awful -- when the couch is opened, the sofa is reversed, so the underside (when closed) becomes the top of the "bed" - metal bar supports and all - the air mattress is supposed to compensate and provide cushioning - which it doesn't- even with a foam topper. I kept hitting the support bars, and I'm not a big man -- I can imagine someone larger would really have a problem. Jack
About the rear corner bed. It really comes down to, having the person by the exit get out in order to allow the other to get out. With us, that comes to once overnight which we both find the need to visit the room next door. It works....just not ideal like at home. But so much better than us sleeping separate, and also sleeping in a cab-over where it's double trouble. The one person must get out like we do, but in the smaller rigs, you can't even sit upright to scooch over. That drove us crazy in our first tiny rig with cabover bed.
Sherman,When you visit your family in Sycamore, IL be sure to stop by our house with your wife. It would be good for both of you to see an example of the "other" choice.It is hard to determine the weight of a slide out.I did ask that same question back in 2007, the days of the smaller slide out. I was told it would add 400 pounds to my 2350. The assumption that the larger slide out today adds an additional 100 pounds is conceivable, assuming the data given me is accurate.I would assume the weight involves extra framing of the exterior wall, floor reinforcement, tracks, the awning topper, trim, gaskets, etc, etc, and the differences in furniture. The dinette weighs hardly anything. I think the heavist thing is the table itself.
Sherman:i know you have spent a ton of energy and time researching your potential big puchase and for that I salute you. I realize that you have a budget and a certain size RV that you are targeting but i would be concenred that you are really backing yourself into a corner and I would worry that you are not going to be happy. It sure appears that you have to get into at least a 25' rig to get what you appear to want and need. I have commented in the past regarding my feelings regarding the Sprinter chassisAll of us want to get as many MPG's as we can but I would really caution you about Sprinter MPG claims.....If you have full tanks, AC on, full wall slide, tires at recmended pressure, cruise set at 65 MPH, 2 adults, two bikes on the back you will not break 14 MPG I never did in 10,000 miles of driving a 2009 Monaco Covina 3.0L. I applaud you for doing the math regarding the CCC of the chassis and while you may be able to come in slighlthy under I will bet one of the axles will be over weight. PC makes a super product and I would do whatever to find a model within the PC family that will work for you. Best of luck. Thanks
Some people say they'd never have a diesel genset, no matter what. Any comments or opinions?Thanks!Sherman