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Title: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: njheart on the road on July 29, 2012, 09:36:19 am
As a "newbie" on this forum, I am obviously trying to gather information for what I hope to be my impending purchase of a PC -- I've read lots of posts from those of you who have purchased multiple units from Phoenix, attesting to the quality that you found, but also raising the question of "getting it right" the first time.  I would really like to know from your experiences what you chose, why, what you wish you had chosen, and (for some of you) why you traded up/down...

As somebody considering moving on up from a B into a B+, I really do want to get it right the first time.  I know that none of you can choose for me, but before I head out to Elkhart for my look-see, I was hoping to get the benefit of your experiences and choices.  I'd like to be as smart as Ron and his wife were in '07 choosing their 2350 and hoping to stay with it for the long run as they did both times. 

As 2 sisters traveling with dogs -- obviously we're not going to be as handy as some of you guys who can make mods and repairs to your rigs, so I'd like to make the best decision I can right up front.  We are concentrating on the 2350 from the information on the PC website.  One sister (& her spoiled dog!) can sleep in the back, and one (hopefully) on the couch bed. 

Questions:

Thanks again.  I tried to search out answers to these questions before posting, but would appreciate your current thoughts on what you own and why...
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: echo11 on July 29, 2012, 10:30:41 am
Best of luck with your search for a PC.  We have a 2011 PC- 2350 without a slide.  We felt the less moving things (slide) the less problems to worry about.  We are very happy with our choice.  We have one dog and keep a crate under the dining table.  When we travel he is in the crate.  It works for us.  Up to this point, we have not had a reason to use the dining area bed.
Please feel free to ask other questions.
Roni 
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: glenncc on July 29, 2012, 11:52:06 am
In response to your questions about a non-slide model, I have a 2010 2350 floor plan with the dinette.  I can't speak for the comfort of the couch, but my guests have loved sleeping on the dinette when made into a bed.  I'd think the only concern might be bed length, but that would also apply to the sofa.  Not having a slide does offer more space for both of those options. 

My biggest reason for not wanting a slide-out was the extra weight they require.  I feel much more comfortable knowing I can easily keep my GVWR below the rig's limits.  Balancing the weight of the coach can also be more of a challenge with a slide-out.  There is an added cost to that option.  Extended warranties always cost more for motor homes with slide-outs so that speaks to their maintenance costs and potential rate of failure.  There is less storage space in a rig with a slide-out.  It is more difficult to heat/cool a slide-out model because it is not as well insulated.  The structural integrity of the coach is compromised.  The coach is more impervioius to bugs and dirt. 

The only real advantages to having a slide-out from my perspective are the slightly increased floor space and the resale value since the trend is to have as many slide-outs as possible included in the floor plan.

Please don't view my observatinos as criticisms for those owners who have slide-outs.  We all have our priorities.   2o2

Glenn Canavan
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Ron Dittmer on July 29, 2012, 01:37:10 pm
glenncc,

You took oh so many words right out of my mouth, including your last comment.

Adding that for me personally and I think my wife would agree, I would have loved more room if we used our PC differently.  But it is just the two of us.  We don't stay for more than 4 nights in any one place as we "tour", not "plant".  Our time is typically spent out and about, sight-seeing and being adventurous with the tow vehicle and doing all day hiking.  In our on-the-move trip style, we sometimes park overnight in places where opening a slideout would be inappropriate or even unsafe.  You wouldn't want an adjacent vehicle hitting it.

If we were snow birds with extended stays like our uncle does down in Florida during the winter, living in the rig for a season at a time, any kind of extra room would surely be welcomed, from a longer model, to having that really nice corner shower many of you enjoy, and also a slide out or two.

njheart,  Read my private message to you.  I hope you and your sister are close enough to examine our rig.

Ron
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: keelhauler on July 29, 2012, 02:17:24 pm
We had a 2551 for 6-1/2 yrs with a slide. Loved it, never had one problem.
Some said in a very heavy windy rain from the direction of the slide side, that water leaked in.
Some just close their slide when high winds come from that direction. The Slide is well built and there is NO structural probems.
I love the 2350 since it still comes on a E350 cahssis like my old 2551. All 2551 and larger now come on a E450 chassis. About 0.5 mpg less gas mileage, 2" higher.

If we didn't like the PC or our 2551 we would have never bought the 2552.
They do a lot of custom work for those who know what they want. So use the forum search engine and see what changes people have made.
I agree, do it right the first time.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Bob Mahon on July 29, 2012, 04:08:27 pm
I won't go into the slide vs no-slide issue because it has been pretty well covered. However, having had a 2007 2350, a 2010 2551 and now a 2011 2552 (and no animals), all with slides, I'll offer this:
The electric sofa/bed in the 2007 2350 had no under bed storage, was uncomfortable and a pita to make-up and use.
The air sofa/bed in the 2551 had under bed storage, was uncomfortable and a bigger pita to use.
Our 2552 has the smaller Dinette with under seat storage and will make a bed suitable for a legless midget.

There are only the 2 of us and of the three models, we like the 2552 due, mainly, to the Euro chair and under Dinette seat storage.

Although you didn't include these topics in your questions and knowing they has been covered elsewhere, I'll offer opinions anyway.
Chassis: I have driven Chevy, Ford and Sprinter based motorhomes and, although it's a bit stiffer, we prefer the Ford (despite the poorer leg room). The Sprinter swayed too much and the Chevy wallowed a bit. The Ford has a wider spacing between wheels which is what I believe lends stability against cross-winds, on crappy roads and for cornering.
Engines: I tow a 3,000 lb Mercury Cougar and believe the Ford 6.8L V10 to be the best for our purposes. On our most recent trip we travelled over 6,500 miles (including many in the Mountain States) and experienced gas prices ranging from $3.29 to $3.99. In many places Diesel was $.30 to $0.50 higher. My average MPG for the entire trip was 9.2.
Factoring the differences in original cost and fuel usage between the Ford and Diesel Sprinter, I calculate a Sprinter owner will have to travel well over 100,000 to break even (I'll be driving a wheelchair or Harp by then). This is to say nothing of maintenance cost and availability.

Finally, not to beat a dead horse, a word about quality:
I've been at this since 1970 in one form or another. Slide-in, Class C, Class A Gas/Diesel & Diesel-Pusher and the old Class B (which is defined differently today than then). Of all the previously owned RVs I've owned, the 2007 PC 2350 was, by far, the least troublesome. Of the new, again the PCs. Phoenix Cruiser makes a tight, secure and robust 'House' and has designed it to properly fit the Ford chassis. The handling is more secure than anything else I've owned and it handles the road well (I won't go into the white-knuckle, pucker-factor experiences).

Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: TomHanlon on July 29, 2012, 04:17:52 pm
We have had three motorhomes with slide outs since December 2002 and have NEVER had any problems with the slide. The extra room inside is well worth the extra weight of the side out. You will not even notice the extra weight. It seems that those that don't have a slide are the ones that like to complain about them while those that do always get them on their next motorhome. Stuart loves to sell the 2350 without the slide outs because he gets to sell them again and again. Ask him. My first PC, a 2010 2350 which had a slide out has already been sold twice in the last year because of the size and the bed, that I know about. Do a search on here for slide outs and see how few are reporting problems.

The 2350 gave us the ability to go just about anywhere and to park in most parking spaces if I could hang the back end over the edge of the grass. The bed was a real nightmare to make up. I slept on the bed while my wife would sleep on the sofa. She did not like putting the sofa out into the full bed because we had two large dogs back then and it took away a lot of room for them. In 2010 the PC had the air bed, which was not that good for sleeping on. Can you picture legs and arms hanging everywhere? Now PC has a better sofa that looking like it would be OK. We now have a 2012 2552 and love the extra room of the larger slide out and the twin beds. The beds are easy to make up as you just pull the mattress away from the wall and put the sheets on the backside. No more climbing on the bed to make it up. We originally looked at the 2551 when we bought the 2350 but felt the chair up front was needed for watching TV. It can be hard to watch the TV from the front of the sofa with out leaning forward all the time. When they came out with the 2552 with the chair and the added pantry, we where hooked again. It does require two parking spaces, front and back type but that has not been a problem for us yet. I made several suspenion changes to the 2350 (I had it built on the E450) to make it handle better but as of yet have not felt the need to make any to the longer wheel base of the 2552.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Barry-Sue on July 29, 2012, 05:29:06 pm
Before I tell you about our buying choices I’ll tell you how we use our unit.  We stay anywhere from 1 day to 3 months at a time.  We just got back from a 3 day trip to a local campground.  Our next trip is scheduled for a month out East (traveling from place to place).  I also have our winter planned for 3 months in Florida (we’ve done this for six years now).  
We started in 2003 with a travel trailer that had a slide but no permanent bed.  My requirement was that the next unit “MUST” have a permanent bed.  I got really tired every night and every morning dealing with putting the bedding away and then taking it out again at night.  I also insisted that we find a unit with “NO” carpet.  

In 2008 we bought the 2350 with a slide (E350).  It was a great unit.  The only changes we made to the unit were changing the front shocks to Bilstein and adding a Blue OX trac bar.  Once we added the trac bar it drove like a dream.  What I got really tired of was the corner bed.  It was difficult to make, especially when changing sheets.    And for two people (175 lbs and 100 lbs) it seemed to get smaller and smaller.  Watching TV was also a bit difficult and it was hard to have another couple come to visit because of lack of seating.  

We now have a 2012 2551 with a slide (bought it in October, 2011) (E450).  We absolutely think this is the best unit for us.  It is the largest unit that will fit in our garage and when we ordered it we had all of our wants and needs included.  We do not have any power seats so this allows both the driver’s seat and passenger seat to swivel – thus seating for four is very comfortable.   We installed our own TV on a swivel mount so that viewing TV is no issue for us.  We opted for the sofa with the large drawer underneath so storage is not an issue.  The bathroom space is great and the beds are the most comfortable we have ever slept in (and easy to make).  All three of our units have had slides and we have never had an issue with the slides.  We have stayed in parking lots overnight (just kept the slide in), we have stayed in zero degree weather (have never been cold) and we have stayed in it anywhere from 1 day to 3 full months (and never complained about space).  This unit drives very nice right out of the factory.  Even though the 2551 is 3 feet longer than the 2350, the longer vehicle is not any harder to drive than the shorter one.  In fact, we find the 2551 to drive even easier than the 2350.

We have gone with a toad and without depending on our need for transportation once we are parked.  The E450 with a V10 has had ample power in any driving situation that we have encountered.  We have found that the larger rear end of the E450 makes the E450 a little more responsive than the E350.


Sue
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: mciai2000 on July 30, 2012, 08:19:57 pm
I guess I am the odd man out on this forum.  I use our Cruiser to camp/rv with our family of four.  Two adults and two kids, so space is a premium for us. 

We had a 2010 2350 with slide with a really really really really crappy air bed/couch.  If it had not been for that thing I would have kept that unit.  My wife and I slept on it and every morning woke up without air in the bed...Last fall we upgraded to the 2552 mainly for the electric couch that converts to a bed.  What a major improvement.  It has memory foam in it and is comfortable.  It also converts to a lazy boy type chair while at  the campground.  If you or your sister are over 5.5 tall it probably is not long enough.  Plenty of room for the dog to sleep with you.  I think if you are going to use that bed for months on end such as Barry-Sue I would have Paul's seating add more memory foam.

The back bed in the 2350 was on the small side, if the dog is not too big you would be fine.  If it is lab sized, I don't think it would work well.

I did love the fact the 2350 was small. I almost never used a toad. My 2552 requires that I use a toad lots.  I hate that.  I got away from towing a rv because I did not like to tow.  Now here I am again towing and almost 40 feet long in total. What a pain.  Uses more gas, requires more time hooking up, have to plan gas stops, goes much slower up hills etc..Not a fan...

The slide is great for our family, that extra room gives us more breathing room so to speak.  I think with 2 adults and 2 animals the 2350 would get very crowded without the slide.  I think if your dogs are over 35 lbs than a unit like Ron's would not suit you. It would be like squeezing 4 lbs of junk in a 2lb bag....If you get me drift...We just returned from a three week trip out west and I think without the slide I might have had to scream..

The bathroom in the 2350 is also very small.  My wife is 5 fee 4 and always said about that bathroom" there is not enough room to change your mind in there." 

Well, there you have my 2 pennies, for what it is worth.  Good luck and safe travels.

Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Ron Dittmer on July 30, 2012, 09:08:42 pm
The bathroom in the 2350 is also very small.  My wife is 5 fee 4 and always said about that bathroom" there is not enough room to change your mind in there."
That is a very interesting way of putting it, and you make your point well.  Our 2350 bath's floor space isn't much to speak of.  Not in the shower and not out of the shower.  You have to pay close attention when turing around in it.  No fast movements or you'll hit something with a body part of one sort or another.

njheart and sister live 40 minutes from our house so they are coming to see our unit this week before their visit to PC-USA because the factory might not have a 2350 with or without a slideout to see.  They can determine for themselves if what we have is worth consideration along with seeing new units in Elkhardt.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: njheart on the road on July 31, 2012, 05:18:12 am
The bathroom in the 2350 is also very small.  My wife is 5 fee 4 and always said about that bathroom" there is not enough room to change your mind in there."
That is a very interesting way of putting it, and you make your point well.  Our 2350 bath's floor space isn't much to speak of.  Not in the shower and not out of the shower.  You have to pay close attention when turing around in it.  No fast movements or you'll hit something with a body part of one sort or another.

...which makes me chuckle.  If there is not enough room to change your mind in the bathroom of the 2350, I wonder what those of us who have been in the PW vans have been doing all this time?  Perhaps that's why when our camping friends first met us and saw two people and (at that time 4) fairly large dogs get out of the PW for the first time, they called it a circus clown car! We had started camping together and that is what we had and we made it work.

But, mciai2000, generally I think I wait until I get out of the bathroom to change my mind!  Now you can see why we are looking at PC for longer term traveling.  Size and room are relative for each of us, to be sure.  As some posters have pointed out, they love their slides; others love the "coziness" of being slide-less.  Look at a street near you - one house is a cute little bungalow, another a McMansion. 

I continue to listen to all of you and your viewpoints on this.  I asked because I wanted to hear how it looks from your point of view for you.  I know none of you can decide for me -- but I like hearing what has worked for you and why some of you ended up switching.  I appreciate all the comments about slides, chassis, etc.  It's your thoughts I am trying to glean -- knowing what y'all know may help me not to make an expensive mistake this time around. 

Tom Hanlon's point about making up the bed is well taken, but we continue to utilize the old travasaks for that purpose and roll them up in the daytime so the dogs don't squiggle the life out of them.  So it would work for us whether we concentrate on the 2350 or 2552.  I'm looking forward to seeing Ron's unit and getting down to Elkhart -- and thanks again:  keep those thoughts and op'ines coming!
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Barry-Sue on July 31, 2012, 05:21:10 pm
I think the most important thing to remember when looking at the different models that Phoenix Cruiser has to offer is that if you want something "Different"  do NOT hesitate to talk to Kermit about it.  Kermit will take any suggestions you might have and give them serious consideration.  He will let you know if he can accomodate your request and will let you know why he can't.  You could even design your own floor plan and show it to him and he will tell you if it is possible.  If you are unsure of anything just ask Kermit and he will be honest with you. 

In 2008, we were the first ones to ever ask for a corian sink extension and he now does this all the time.  He has gone to a larger TV because of Ron's installation.  We had two pages of changes on our 2012 model and we absolutely love our 2551.  He went to the moon and back for "gradygal" (George and Judi) and has built two very SPECIAL units for them.

I think the best thing about Phoenix USA is you can order something special!

Sue
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: ragoodsp on August 03, 2012, 09:26:21 am
NJHeart:

As you can see from the posts everyone has their opinions on what they all need from a coach/RV!  There is no perfect coach to be honest, we are all adding and changing things all the time and that makes RV'ing fun!  I have owned 7 motor homes over the yaers ranging from a 38'  diesel pusher down to 24' Sprinter based coach.  I am done with the large units for I love the ability to just "go" and get around in tight spots and not worry about parking, etc..  The PC format is perfect for day trips to the beach for dinner or what ever.  I have had two PC's a 2551S and now a 3100S.  My wife and I thought that we could make the 2551 work with out the dinette set up but we found the unit just a little to tight (tripped on our 80 lb dog all the time!)both on the inside and on the outside and we decided to trade up to the 3100S.  My wife does alot of communicating from the road and having her computer set up and ready to go makes a huge difference to her so the dinnette is perfect.  While we all thing we can make due with a smaller coach there are always trade offs and the comprimises can drive you crazy so do not sell yourself short up front and have regreats later.  Without a doubt the 3100 is the closest that we have come to the perfect coach for us.  We love the single bed set up that allows for beds to always be ready, the new recliners that PC offers in the living section are super.  PC is super in their willingness to add small things here and there and to really customized the coach to your particular needs.  We had a couple small things added like shelves in one of the shirt wardrobes but otherwise we left the unit stock and now that we have used the coach some we honestly can say there are no further changes that we would like to make.  I would highly recommend a slide, yes there is a chance the unit might leak but the added space is significant and the PC is narrow to begin with so not having a slide would in my opinion make the coach very tight (again, just my opinion).  When it comes to the chassis  selection I have to say the E-450 is a superb chassis that is very heavy duty and will take the punishment that you will give it, yes, it likes to drink a lot of fuel but it gets the job done. I have posted before regarding my opinions of the Sprinter chassis and I will just say it did not work well for my needs; there is no question it is a solid chassis and works for many and that is great. I would warn you that despite what some may say getting a Sprinter servied is not as easy as one might think and unless you are planning on doing 80,000 miles per year you will never make up the cost of added maintenance and initial chassis up charge.   I would determine what your maximum budget figure is and seek the largest PC model /floorplan your dollars can purchase and go with that coach.  best of luck!
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Ron Dittmer on August 03, 2012, 10:40:54 am
njheart and sister live 40 minutes from our house so they are coming to see our unit this week before their visit to PC-USA because the factory might not have a 2350 with or without a slideout to see.  They can determine for themselves if what we have is worth consideration along with seeing new units in Elkhardt.
Those two wonderful women came to our house last night and closely examined our 2350 with no-slide.  We spent a couple hours together going over our unit and discussing PCs in-general.  I tried my best to show them our rig "face value", making sure I did not try to pursuade them in thinking ours is ideal for them.  njheart & sister decided that for themselves.  They really liked our unit and seemed set on getting one like it but with a sofa instead of the dinette that we have.  njheart did mention that she owned a motor home with slide-out in the past and didn't want one again.  They really want the over-all motor home length as short as possible for best mobility, and the 2350 seemed ideal to both of them.  They expected our rig to look longer so they were happy to see that is was shorter in-person.

For bedtime, one plans to sleep on the rear corner bed, the other on the sofa.  We did discuss what kind of sleeper sofa will be in a 2350 with no-slide.  It won't be the same one used in a slide-out.  It may be the old uncomfortable jack-knife style sofa.  I think the factory can have one made with memory foam which might take the edge out of the discomfort.  Have any of you experience with a 2012-2013 no-slide sofa?

njheart sure knew a lot about PCs from this discussion board and has a good list of what they want and don't want.  They question a few things, one being the tiny swing-open awning style windows on new models.  They liked our older sliding windows for improved air circulation while parked.  They are very familiar with the new windows as they have them in their "B" today.  They will ask about slide-open windows to get much more air flow.  They do have dogs that will travel with them, so they need to be mindful that a dog might be smart enough to slide an open window more and get out.  I suppose placing a pre-cut yard stick in the track would limit the window opening.  There is always a work-around for such concerns.

One thing that surprised them was the height of the toilet.  It is plainly too tall for both of them.  They have a question to ask the factory about a lower pedistal....maybe no pedistal.

One thing emphasised over and over (and over) again.  If there is something they wished was different, from awnings to sofas to toilet pedistals, to whatever......Just ASK the factory about any such wishful deviations.

I do hope the two ladies have the opportunity to examine a 2551 or 2552 when they visit the factory.  I would feel a lot better if they got a real good look at either one before any final decision.

To njheart & sister...
It was a pleasure meeting you both.  Keep us all informed along the way during your continued research.

Blessings,
Ron
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Barry-Sue on August 03, 2012, 11:16:11 am
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One thing that surprised them was the height of the toilet.  It is plainly too tall for both of them.  They have a question to ask the factory about a lower pedistal....maybe no pedistal.

I do not know about the toilets in the newer models of the 2350 but from the pictures it looks like it is on a pedistal.  But in the 2551, the toilet is much lower since it is a different model toilet and it does not sit on a pedistal.  Having had both the 2350 and now 2551 it was a real surprise when I first used the 2551 after having been used to the 2350.  

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They liked our older sliding windows for improved air circulation while parked.  

At first we were not sure if the newer style windows would give us the air circulation but having had both kinds of windows now we find the newer style to work very nice.  Surprisingly you get very good circulation through them.  And the best part is you do not have to worry about them being open if it is raining.  We also like the rimless look on the outside.

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It may be the old uncomfortable jack-knife style sofa.

When someone needed to sleep in our 2350 on the sofa I always placed a piece of memory foam underneath the sheets and there were never any complaints.  I would then roll the memory foam up and store it behind the sofa.

It is nice that they had a chance to see your unit so they can now compare the differences between 2007 and 2013.  Hopefully they will be able to pick and chose and get exactly what they want.

Sue



Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: njheart on the road on August 05, 2012, 05:19:53 pm
Well, we dun gon an dun it.  Visited Elkhart Friday.  Took all this good advice to heart and went down to visit the factory for ourselves and see everything first hand.  Needless to say, we have joined the family.  Put in our order for our own PC.  To the surprise of even us, we actually chose the 2552 and with a slide.  Several of y'all mentioned having come out of the PW van and into the PC.  Several mentioned having started with the 2350 and then graduating up to a bigger unit.  The couch, the bathroom, and sleeping arrangements all considered, we did a 180 degree turn-around and decided to go longer and more liveable for our planned year on the road.  We decided that we liked the openness of the twin bed model and the larger bathroom, a shower you definitely could change your mind in, and the already-decided need/want of that beautiful comfy Euro chair.  (My comments in purple below to the conversation in progress:)

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One thing that surprised them was the height of the toilet.  It is plainly too tall for both of them.  They have a question to ask the factory about a lower pedistal....maybe no pedistal.

I do not know about the toilets in the newer models of the 2350 but from the pictures it looks like it is on a pedistal.  But in the 2551, the toilet is much lower since it is a different model toilet and it does not sit on a pedistal.  Having had both the 2350 and now 2551 it was a real surprise when I first used the 2551 after having been used to the 2350.  

You are correct:  the 2551/2 toilet is not on a pedestal - it is "normal" height and has a foot flush.  The 2350 that we saw in production was on a pedestal but Amanda, Stuart's delightful daughter, told us she could check into d/c'ing that pedestal if we were interested.

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They liked our older sliding windows for improved air circulation while parked.  

At first we were not sure if the newer style windows would give us the air circulation but having had both kinds of windows now we find the newer style to work very nice.  Surprisingly you get very good circulation through them.  And the best part is you do not have to worry about them being open if it is raining.  We also like the rimless look on the outside.

Ron's sliders are nice, but as was pointed out, for rain purposes and for not worrying about the dogs cleverly finding a way out while left alone, the new style is really fine.  And, the awning-style window over the driver's side twin bed is actually a full awning top to bottom, on the right half of the window, so gives nice air flow.

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It may be the old uncomfortable jack-knife style sofa.

When someone needed to sleep in our 2350 on the sofa I always placed a piece of memory foam underneath the sheets and there were never any complaints.  I would then roll the memory foam up and store it behind the sofa.

They do put memory foam on this jack-knife sofa now, so it truly is not bad when it comes to comfort.  I tried one out that was being put in a 2100 model -- but this very setup was what convinced me that we did not want to go with a 2350 without a slide, as it felt very "close" for me in there and the bed wasn't even folded down.  It would be fine for a single person or someone with a small dog -- but perhaps not for two humans and several dogs.

It is nice that they had a chance to see your unit so they can now compare the differences between 2007 and 2013.  Hopefully they will be able to pick and chose and get exactly what they want.   Sue

Well, once again, thank you all for your good wishes and extremely helpful advice.  Ron's PC was a good backdrop for us to go see the 2013's and having spent time with him in his, made viewing them at the factory quick and easy.  We believe that we did, get exactly what we wanted.  Love the people at the factory, everyone was terrific, and am glad for Kermit that he has done so well both for himself and all of us who benefit from his hard work!

~marilyn
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Bob Mahon on August 05, 2012, 06:28:02 pm
A hearty congratulations. :)(:
Our satisfaction with the PCs we had/have make me confident you'll be happy with yours.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Ron Dittmer on August 05, 2012, 08:50:06 pm
njheart,

I am so happy that you closely examined all your options and picked the one that meets your needs best.  Personally, I think a 2552 is ideal for the two of you given your personal circumstances.  You got the slide out after-all, a feature hard to pass up, especially when considering your large dogs.

You will surely have questions about options to consider, so ask away here on this forum.  You might also want to ask the PC community for their thoughts, if a 2552 will require a tow vehicle for your particular travel style and considering your dogs.

Congratulations on a great decision.  I am sure you'll love your new home on wheels.

Welcome to the PC family.

Blessings,
Ron
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: gradygal on August 06, 2012, 04:16:52 am
It's 5:07 A.M here in VA and I am sitting in my comfy Euro Chair in our new 2910. It is so comfy.

I am so happy that you made up your mind on the 2552. Having been the proud owners of 3 PC's in 3 years, I believe you very likely made the correct choice.

Two of our previous units were without slides-this one has a slide in the living area and it makes so much difference. Love it!

Welcome and Congrats y-- y-- y--

Now for breakfast and on the road to Promised Land State Park in PA. (Bob and Peg--if you are around there stop in. Will be leaving tomorrow A.M for MA)

Judi
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: TomHanlon on August 06, 2012, 06:13:33 am
 A big congratulations on your new 2552.

Having lived with two big dogs in a 2350 and now having a 2552 with one large 100 lb German Shepherd Dog, I think you will be happy with your choice. We had half a page of modifications to our 2552, like shelves in both shirt closets, no roof vent in the bedroom (the one in the bathroom was close enough to do the job), two fantastic fans (bathroom and living room) and jacks to level the PC when camped. What mods have you requested? You will see a lot of factory mods and a lot of owner mods on here. Pick and chose what you like and ask Stuart about them. One of the best things about Phoenix is their willingness to work with the customer to get just what the customer wants.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on August 06, 2012, 10:02:14 am
 (balloons) That's wonderful news! It sounds like you made a good choice. We just picked up our 2100 w/slide July 10th and love it. Can't imagine not having the slide for the extra room. Glad you had the great experience the rest of us have had working with the crew, Stuart, Amanda and Kermit, as well as their staff, at Phoenix, from making changes to the layout at the beginning all the way to fixing a few small things and changes when we picked it up. One thing that impressed us (along with many other things) was when we went back a couple of times our requests or fixes were worked on immediately. We weren't put off to the end of the line.

Enjoy!
Marilyn & Paul
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: ragoodsp on August 06, 2012, 12:13:04 pm
NJHonTR:

Congrats on selecting a new 2552S as your coach of choice.  I honestly think you have amde a super call to go with a slide and a little longer coach.  Now comes the fun part of delivery and packing it up for the first outing.   
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: mciai2000 on August 06, 2012, 02:32:51 pm
Yes!!!  Hopefully you have made the right decision and will not need/want to purchase 2nd or even a third pc like some of us slow learners..

Gradgal, you must be on your way to Nova Scotia again.  Promised land state park is about a half hour away from our home as are Bob and Peg. What a nice state park.  Enjoy your trip.

DJM
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Barry-Sue on August 06, 2012, 05:47:19 pm
 y-- :)(: y-- :)(:

Congratulations on placing your order.  We think you made a super choice.  Hopefully the wait time will go by fast and then you can have the fun of packing it up and hitting the road.

ENJOY


Barry and Sue
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Bob Mahon on August 06, 2012, 05:52:20 pm
GradyGal,

It was good to see you again and am happy you both look so well.
Enjoy the rest of the trip and good luck avoiding I-95 to D. C.

Stay safe and watch out for the crazies. roflol
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: ge_montana on August 08, 2012, 08:06:48 am
This will be short -- when you go to sell, and you will sell sooner or later -- a PC without a slide will have a lower sales price, as most buyers prefer the slide.

Technology today has solved the early slide problems.

Greg M
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: njheart on the road on August 19, 2012, 08:53:39 am
Having lived with two big dogs in a 2350 and now having a 2552 with one large 100 lb German Shepherd Dog, I think you will be happy with your choice. We had half a page of modifications to our 2552, like shelves in both shirt closets, no roof vent in the bedroom (the one in the bathroom was close enough to do the job), two fantastic fans (bathroom and living room) and jacks to level the PC when camped. What mods have you requested? ....One of the best things about Phoenix is their willingness to work with the customer to get just what the customer wants.
In my Sunday morning rambling around the forum, I re-read all your hearty congratulations, and realized that I never got back on here and thanked all of you for your good wishes.  It is so nice to be part of a forum where you don't find your thoughts put down because you don't happen to be in perfect alignment with a responder's point of view.  I so appreciated all the welcome and encouragement.  You are a special bunch of folks!
  (cheer)
To answer Tom Hanlon's question:
We hope to do the BBB drawer cutting board replacement as well as holding some other things suggested here in the wings to see if they will work for us.  We are getting the bedspreads -- but since we travel with dogs will probably put some others on for travel -- something more Southwestern to perk up the tame interior we have chosen (maple cabinets, sunlit leather, vinyl floor) -- something we won't worry about the fur girls jumping on.  The PC ones will be in reserve in case ge_montana is right...
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: TomHanlon on August 19, 2012, 12:26:17 pm
Those sound like some cool mods. We got the ladder but not the roof rack. One never knows when you might need to get on the roof to clean it or remove tree branches.

One other thing we have found has to do with the overhead lights. The new switch by the door turns on the light by the kitchen and we would have preferred it turn on the light by the door. We also wish they have taken one of the two bedroom overhead lights and put it up front near the front cabinets. Those cabinets can be kind of dark inside at night. I really don't need four lights and two reading lights in the bedroom.

Are you going to get the front shades from Amanda? They are kind of expensive but work really well at keeping people from seeing in during the day, keeping the sun/heat out and at night keeping the outside light from lighting up the front curtains.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: njheart on the road on August 19, 2012, 12:58:17 pm
...We got the ladder but not the roof rack. One never knows when you might need to get on the roof to clean it or remove tree branches.

....The new switch by the door turns on the light by the kitchen and we would have preferred it turn on the light by the door. We also wish they have taken one of the two bedroom overhead lights and put it up front near the front cabinets...

...Are you going to get the front shades from Amanda? They are kind of expensive but work really well at keeping people from seeing in during the day, keeping the sun/heat out and at night keeping the outside light from lighting up the front curtains.
I understand about the need for the ladder "just in case."  For me (not real adept at climbing, even when I was a kid) if I need to get at or see the roof, I will use my garage A-frame ladder -- and hope that I don't back into a tree at a campsite where I don't have a ladder.  I will really depend on my navigator/sister now for such clearances!  For the darker shirt cabinets, I will probably opt for one of those small "stick up" lights.  I've kept one in the bathroom of our PW for years as I hate to use the overhead lights early in the a.m. -- too bright.  The recent PW's have utilized LED lights on a dimmer switch and I think when PC eventually considers using them, it will be a really classy move.  Kermit can take a look at ours when we bring it down for trade in.  Really looks absolutely cool at night.  I can just see those in combo with the cherry cabinets that many of you have chosen...

I actually love the switch that turns on the kitchen light -- when we looked at Ron's, he didn't have that and it was one of my concerns.  So I was glad to see that they had added that.  One good thing about it turning on a light farther back from the door, is that I would think it would draw less bugs in, not that we ever stay where there are bugs (Bar Harbor, Minnesota, the UP....)

Yes, those are the front shades from Amanda -- pricey but my sister decided that both for the thermal reasons and for the privacy for our dogs who love to people-watch but who don't need to be seen by outsiders -- we just couldn't pass them up.  Thanks for all your comments and keep those thoughts coming!
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: gradygal on August 19, 2012, 04:07:19 pm
on our 2350, we opted for no ladder. The MH has a much cleaner look without the ladder. That being said:

On our way back home, last year (2551) the hatch in the living area flew open at 65 MPH on Rt. 77. Pulled over at a Rest Area and had to close the hatch from the outside-got up on the roof via the ladder.

When we were on our way to trade-in the 2551 on the 2910, we were at S. Foster State Park in Florida and heard this horrible noise from the air conditioning unit. Again, up on the roof! There was a frog in the air conditioning unit---

When we picked up the 2910 had to get on the roof again. The T.V antenna had been caulked and it wouldn't rotate.

Ladders for us
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: njheart on the road on August 20, 2012, 05:02:22 am
Gradygal:  Your point is well taken about the ladder's need.  I know PC wouldn't be putting it on these fine vehicles if there wasn't a need now and again.  That jumping frog of Calaveras County that you had in the AC, well now, I could avoid him perhaps by avoiding Florida and opting for the less jumpy snakes, lizards, and turtles in Arizona.  But those hatch covers over the fans -- the only problem I have ever had with them is forgetting to close them all the way before starting up.  Now, it's one of the things we always check before pulling out.  I can see having trouble with them in a sudden high wind in a campground -- What caused yours to fly open, any idea? 

Even so, on my Pleasure-Way if it had happened, I still would not, could not have crawled up there and done anything about it - no ladder on the PW and the heights are not for me.  My emphasis is going to have to be on prevention and calling for help, I guess.  But I appreciate the forewarning about going ladderless -- it will make me think a little more up front.  Kind of like the roof on my house: I have to have a handyman come and empty the gutters of leaves and saw the tree limbs growing into it -- I have to take care of the chores on the ground.  Thanks for the education!
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Ron Dittmer on August 20, 2012, 05:49:51 am
The ladder sure has it's pros & cons.  We have been very lucky so far travelling without a ladder.  If something comes apart up-top, we are dependant on a place that will loan us a ladder.

As njheart noted, it will be "Very" nice to have an entry light switch to control a couple of interior lights just like in a regular house.  Having their own on-fixture switch would be nice to choose which comes on.  As do many older rig owners, we enter in the dark and fumble around a bit feeling for a light switch.

I want to mention again how much I wished we special ordered a second porch light under the awning, located to the rear.  Having light from two different directions eliminates many shadow problems.  If it's too much light, then install lower wattage bulbs.

A 2nd porch light switch would be great for additional porch lights to the rear and driver side for full camp-site illumination which will be great when backing into a camp site in the dark to avoid trees and such.  And with dogs, the lighting may also be useful when taking them out at night.

Our 2350 has a cheapy exhaust fan in the bathroom which for the size of the bath is surprisingly effective.  But for a 2552, having a Fantastic fan in the bath and a second one up front makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: TomHanlon on August 20, 2012, 07:02:35 am
Marilyn, remember that if you have a problem on the roof in a campground, there will be someone around that would be willing to climb up your ladder to help you out if you give a big smile. On ladder means no help. One time I was driving to Myrtle Beach for the Christmas break and to get away from the snow and ice around here. I was on a two lane road with a car coming at me when I spotted at pine tree branch hanging low over my lane because it was full of ice. Well we hit it and it with a loud bang. When I was able to pull over, several miles later, I inched up my ladder and looked around. I too dislike heights and only get on my roof when really needed. I found that the branch had knocked off the cover of the satellite dish, leaving the rest of the dish exposed. When I got to the campground, I was able to tape a plastic bag over the dish until I could get a replacement cover shipped in.

When you go to pick up your new baby, besides the check, you will need to bring with you a couple of things. The first being towel bars and a toilet paper holder. They will mount these where ever you want them. You will see a lot of options on here as to where folks have mounted theirs. On our 2350 we had the towel bars mounted in the shower and the toilet paper holder across from the toilet. On the 2552 we had the towel bars mounted to the back of the sliding door. I mounted a Bears head toilet paper holder on the back of the wardrobe door using command hook and loop tape. In the heat this year the tape came unglued and the bears head fell and broke. I then mounted a holder that matched the towel bars on the back of the sliding door. If you have them mount one towel bar near the top of the door and the other below where the top towel will end, as far left on the door as possible, there will be room for the toilet paper holder on the far right side about three feet up from the floor. I sit down on the toilet and close the door and the paper is now right in front of me. This spot is working for us.

Another thing you might want to bring is vent covers for you Fantastic fans. When we are not running the A/C, we like to leave the vents open with the fan on whenever we leave the dog in the camper. With the cover we don't have to worry about rain. Also during the summer I always leave the vent cracked open to allow some of the heat out. Fantastic has just come out with a cover that allows the Maxim amount of air flow, even better than the Maxxair II that I have. You can go to the Fantastic site and see a Utube of how well their cover works compared to the other ones. Again Phoenix Doug will install them for free.

I am sure there are other things that I am forgetting right now, so when I remember them I will post them. I am sure that others will post there delivery experiences.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: gradygal on August 20, 2012, 07:27:15 am
Marilyn,
The reason that the hatch flew open was that the knob on the inside fell off and, as we remember, a pin (maybe) fell out so we had no way to secure it from the inside. George had to go up on the roof to push the hatch down and we worked together to get it secure before we got on our way.

Judi
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: bigbadjc on August 20, 2012, 09:35:29 am
I would second Tom's suggestion that you get covers on your vents/fan outlets on the roof.  First, you can then drive with the vents open and not worry about the wind buffeting them or rain coming in and if something goes wrong with the mechanism as it did on yours, it will not go flying up because of the bernoulli force of the wind going over it.  These covers only cost about $30 or so and are well worth having.  First thing I always have installed when I get a new motorhome.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: TomHanlon on August 20, 2012, 09:58:42 am
JC is a little behind the times when it comes to the cost of the Fantastic vent covers. Camping World internet sale price is $50, normally $63 for the white ones. Here is the site for the vidieo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1fhkbl_1yQ&feature=plcp Like JC I have put vent covers on every motorhome I have owned.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: lghjr on August 20, 2012, 10:34:44 am
I ran into a stack of those in my dealers accessories at the end of the year ('11) for $15 apiece.  Could not make up my mind and when I did, and went back to get two a week later nary a one left. 
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: LRS on August 20, 2012, 02:39:40 pm
We had a bigger rv once, with two slides and a standard poodle...Lots of room and no problems with
the slides.

Now I have a 2400 Sprinter with one slide and another (and bigger) standard poodle. (haha...he
just kept growing! )  So....when stopped for the night or a few days, the extra floor and maneuvering room from
the slide being out is welcome!  :)    Just FYI.   I am confident you will choose wisely and enjoy it!
(Touring the insides of different PCs will help you decide.)
LRS
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: bigbadjc on August 20, 2012, 03:50:38 pm
Tom is sort of right on my being out of touch on pricing of vent covers.  My wallet is out of touch with opening up to buy the slightly higher rate of flow premium covers from Camping World or PPL.  If you look at the WalMart (I do live in Arkansas) website, you will find Camco covers for standard 14" square vents for $19.  You will find them to have very high ratings from the people who purchased them.  Someone who asked if they would work with the powered vents got 3 responses, all positive from people who use them.  RV's are a lot like boats, cars, or any other hobby, you can go for top of the line bells and whistles or just buy whatever works at a good price.  Kind of like since the invention of quartz crystal watches, a Timex keeps just as accurate time as a Rolex.  Sure it doesn't last as long, but how many can you buy for the same price.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Bob Mahon on August 20, 2012, 03:56:40 pm
I bought 2 vent covers from Wal-Mart and they work well with the dinky fans.
But, I'd not consider one for the Fantastic Fan. Just too restrictive.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Ron Dittmer on August 20, 2012, 03:59:06 pm
I looked at the Fantastic Fan Ultra Breeze covers on-line, and I am fairly impressed with how they out-perform the competition with air flow.  I also like that as with the Maxx brand, you don't add more holes in the roof to mount it.  Both brands mount to the fan housing.  The Ultra Breeze measures 10-1/4" high which may or may not work with my garage door opening.  I'll have to measure before shopping for a deal.

I like what I see in them.  I would surely get the outer screen as well.  I think the screen is optional, a must to help keep out a persistent squirl.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Ron Dittmer on August 20, 2012, 04:03:16 pm
I bought 2 vent covers from Wal-Mart and they work well with the dinky fans.
But, I'd not consider one for the Fantastic Fan. Just too restrictive.
I didn't know that Walmart sells something like that.  Was that an on-line purchase or a store purchase.  It would be nice to have one for the dinky bath fan.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Bob Mahon on August 20, 2012, 04:43:25 pm
In-store, Ron. Just at $20.00 each in the small RV section near Auto Parts.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: njheart on the road on August 20, 2012, 05:02:46 pm
So, then, for those of you who have opted to have the ladder, whether or not you plan to climb it yourself, how difficult is it each time you want to enter that back cabinet?  Is it much to "unhook" it and fold it up to gain entrance to that cabinet where I presume the electric cord is stored.  I don't know what else is back there, but assume that if there is much to doing this at all, it could get a bit "old" after a while, no?

Also, and this may be a dumb suggestion, but why couldn't that ladder be halved -- in other words, shortened to the half joint, the lower half removed, and then the upper half would still be accessible from a step ladder if necessary.  I imagine this would probably look funny, if it could be done, but then it wouldn't be in the way of the cabinet (assuming that it does take a little to "unhook" and fold the ladder for entry.)

The F-Fan covers look good, perhaps a bit higher than the Maxx Air ones, but as the you tube video demonstrates, they don't reduce the air flow at all.  That goes on the list.  Keep those thoughts coming; they are all appreciated!  I'm off to shop for towel bars and TP holder!
 heartshower
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Bob Mahon on August 20, 2012, 05:13:09 pm
The ladder hinges about half-way so you can raise it out of the way for access to the rear storage bay.
I use Velcro strips to secure it close to the fixed part so I don't have to mess with it when getting at the hoses and electrical cord.
But if I need the ladder, it's usable.

Hint:
Drill 1/4" diameter holes in the bottoms of the plastic ladder hinge so the water drains.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: TomHanlon on August 20, 2012, 05:41:16 pm
You pull out one pin at the bottom of each of the two legs of the ladder, fold the ladder up and drop it into the slot.  Very easy and only takes about two seconds.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Ron Dittmer on August 21, 2012, 08:33:28 am
In-store, Ron. Just at $20.00 each in the small RV section near Auto Parts.
Thanks Bob,  I will first see if the Ultra Breeze is low enough.  If it's too tall, I'll check out Walmart.
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Paul/Marilyn on August 22, 2012, 04:26:25 pm
Marilyn, as Tom said, it's very easy to pull out the pins and fold up the ladder. It slips back into its hinges and holds itself up and when you're ready to fold it again you just raise it a bit, fold down and replace the pins. I also worried about how much trouble it would be to get in the back compartment but it's really not.  :)
Marilyn
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: bobander on August 22, 2012, 06:40:27 pm
The ladder hinges about half-way so you can raise it out of the way for access to the rear storage bay.
I use Velcro strips to secure it close to the fixed part so I don't have to mess with it when getting at the hoses and electrical cord.
But if I need the ladder, it's usable.

Hint:
Drill 1/4" diameter holes in the bottoms of the plastic ladder hinge so the water drains.

I also secure the lower half to the fixed upper half and it is there if needed but not in the way of the storage door.  Drilling the hole is important.

Bob A
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: njheart on the road on August 22, 2012, 06:42:40 pm
Thanks, Tom, Marilyn, and all for the encouragement about the ladder.  I checked with Amanda and Kermit at the factory and they concur that it is easy to do -- so I don't have any hesitation now about adding the ladder back in.  That should insure that we never get tangled in trees
                                                                                                                                                                        #:)   or lose a vent cover -- you know, if I didn't have the ladder we surely would!  (chuckle!)  Thanks for all the help -- we are excited to continue to plan and wait -- but also anxious to bring her home and get a few miles on her before the Illinois winter decides to snow us in...
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: TomHanlon on August 23, 2012, 08:51:00 am
Thank you Bob and Bob,

    I forgot about drilling the holes in the bottom of the top half of the ladder on this PC. I did it on the first one but old age memory got me on this one. I just drilled the holes and watched water run of of both sides. I don't know how it gets in there but it was there.

 tymote
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: mciai2000 on August 27, 2012, 08:37:17 pm
nj heart:

My 2 pennies worth.  In my back compartment I keep things I rarely use.  I travel with  a bike holder on the back of the mh.  Even with the tilt option on the holder, I find it a pain to get in the back compartment.  In my 2350 I carried the electric cord in the side storage and kept tight with a cable cuff.  In my 2552 I have the cord in the forward compartment.  In my humble opinion that back compartment is about as handy  as t_ts on a bull.

Safe travels.

DJM
Title: Re: 2350 or ? What did you choose and why?
Post by: Bob Mahon on August 27, 2012, 08:43:12 pm
On the other hand, I travel with the ladder raised and use the rear compartment every day for electrical cords, adaptors and hoses (I'm too lazy to bring bikes).