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Title: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Bruce on August 24, 2013, 11:18:42 am
Hello,
We're writing this post to share our experience in choosing the new Phoenix Cruiser that we recently purchased.  Ease of driving is certainly important in this choice, but size and floor plan can be a critical factors.  The two of us have owned several RV's during the last 35 years and have found that individual preferences and circumstances make a big difference in deciding which RV would be best to own.  
  
We were like many other RVers who gradually migrated to larger RV's as we grew older and wanted more comfort and had more time to travel.  We started with a Dodge van conversion, eventually had a 37' Class A diesel, and loved each for different reasons for periods of time.  We especially liked our 37' model when we were living in it for months at a time in an RV Resort near Palm Springs, CA.  After we purchased a winter home near there our time in the RV was greatly reduced, and we wanted an RV that was easier to drive on city streets and in smaller campgrounds.  We had almost decided to downsize to a 2552 Phoenix Cruiser but instead purchased a 2350 (Ford) mainly because it is less than 24' long and has the power to tow our Honda CR-V.  Having a towed car (toad) with us when we travel is important to us, as we prefer not to break camp each time we want to make a short trip for sight-seeing, go shopping, eat at a restaurant, etc.  

We immediately loved the 2350 from cab area back to the kitchen, especially the slide-out room recliner couch and the Euro-chair.  It didn't take long for us to become annoyed by the lack of space in the bedroom/bathroom area, as we were constantly bumping into each other while moving about there.  We may have set a record in the short time it took for us to switch to the 2552 model that we purchased four months later.  The two are almost identical up front, but have much different bedroom/bath areas.  The 2350 was slightly easier to park and drive due to its shorter length and turning radius, and could fit into smaller RV campsites.  But the extra space in the rear of the 2552 makes a world of difference for the two of us.  Other couples are obviously not as bothered by the space difference as we are, which is an example of how individual preference affects one's enjoyment.

Finally, the ratio of wheel base length to motor home length (206"/27'5") of the 2552 promotes a more stable steering situation than the smaller 2350 ratio. We may add some suspension modifications later if we feel they are necessary, but for now we feel we own the perfect RV for this stage in our lives.

Best of luck in finding what is best for you.

Bruce and Sharon
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: JimDenny on August 24, 2013, 02:52:18 pm
Well said! (exactly)
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: jampodd on August 24, 2013, 06:28:17 pm
I agree completely! I had a 2350 with a MB front end and after a year switched to the 2552. Love it so far. The 2350 was nice but I couldn't get use to the bed/bath area. I've put about 6,000 miles on the 2552 this summer so far and have no complaints. I did do some suspension upgrades (listed in another post) and am glad I did. I also added provision to make the two twin beds into a full size (also in another post) but haven't used it yet. Glad you have one you enjoy now.

Jim
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Sparky on August 24, 2013, 09:23:56 pm
Good post,,, what I really like is admitting your mistake,  interesting how many people have switched from the 50 to the 52,,,  I might have to get a look at a 52 one day when I'm out and about and run into one...   we previously owned a roadtrek 210,, we really enjoyed but decided we wanted to go a little bigger, the 2350 was perfect. bed is a little bit of hassle, how ever we have no problems with it... one thing I wanted when we started RVing was something the wife could drive (she is not a good rider and likes to drive) and drive fairly easy in the city the roadtrek was perfect for that and the PC just a little bit larger meets our criteria,,,, our RVing of course consist of  driving there,,, we want the convenience the facilities offered by an RV, food, bath, sleep, some entertainment, a pen for our dog hahah,,,, we don't RV where your actual live in the unit like a lot of guys do,, so this fit our needs perfect... we nearly purchased a new class C,, cheaper brand which you can for 48 to 55000,,,, but I found this unit in Seattle used, knowing the reputation of PC got a good deal.  they delivered it to Vegas, so we rented a one way auto, drove up to Vegas had a few days of fun and drove the Beast home.  I know a year or two from now if I decide to sell/trade the Beast I will get most of my money back,,, on the other hand if we would have purchased the cheaper new model I would have took a bigger hit on my return.    BTW,, must have been fun breaking in one unit,,, then turning around and doing it again haha  I know from reading the forum's those break-ins can sometimes be a pain until you get everything working right

sparky
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Bruce on August 24, 2013, 10:24:27 pm
Jim, Jim, and Sparky,
Thanks for your replies with the kind words.
We had only a few fixes needed to the 2350 after it arrived, so no big problem to break it in.  It did take a while to learn how to use most of the systems and how to use the storage areas efficiently, but that learning experience has helped us tremendously in getting the 2552 ready to travel.  We still haven't mastered the entertainment center.
We'll be leaving home on our usual late summer/early fall RV trip to Northern California and Southern Oregon next week, so that will be the first real test.
Happy trails,
Bruce and Sharon
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Sparky on August 25, 2013, 08:58:04 am
Your welcome,  we have had discussions on this forum regarding break-ins on new units,  I do not think it matters what kind of unit you purchase your going to have to get some things fixed,,, these darn things are just too complicated,,, the key as I have said before is the company's response to problems and your own level of fixing things, and then once you get it broke in your ready to roll.  If I ever purchase a new PC, I'm going to plan a week or two on the general vicinity of Indiana haha.

   BTW, I'm sure everyones heard the news re Yosemite,   they are suppose to get some rain in the area this week hopefully,,, if your over in that area gives us a update in the Adventure,Trip section later on,,, the wife and I need to head up that way soon,  I would hate to miss out on the Sequioas,,, I know there are  a couple of different parks that have them...  have a safe trip
sparky
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: ge_montana on August 29, 2013, 06:39:21 am
It was the bedding in the 2551 that sold us on the PC. Twin beds, i have a rock hard 4" mattress for my 6' frame on the passenger side and my wife has something soft and about 10" high that she loves, that looks fit for the "Princess and Pea" tale.

I am not using a wedge to assist in breathing at night that fits comfortably under my single mattress.

I did change out the particle board under the mattress with a high grade plywood sheet and and reinforce the wall bracket on the passenger side  (added an L bracket and also expansion toggle bolts where screws had been originally placed) because of my  OCDC habits.

22,000 miles and loving it all the way. Unfortunately, my brides indecision delayed purchasing on our original choice of motorhome ( a MB WMH View which would have been a disaster) and by the time we discovered the 2551, we were pretty sure we it was right for us. I think owning a sailboat and traveling in its cramped quarters enabled us to understand what we wanted when we came to make the decision to buy.

Greg and Kathy Matthews
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Ron Dittmer on September 05, 2013, 12:42:08 pm
Once again, I'm the fellow with the opposing viewpoint.  :)  I'll be observing my helpful rating go down again.   :'(  Was 164 as of this reply.

Our 2350 serves us well in every way except getting in and out from the bed.  But this past trip we learned something new with our rear corner double bed which helped a whole lot.  Read about it here. (http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,1522.0.html)

We could never sleep with an isle between us.  We'd much rather crawl into the same bed, one after the other, even during a post mid-night bathroom visit.

We did invest in some aftermarket suspension upgrades to get the handling perfect which seems the 2551 & 2552 don't require nearly as much.  Maybe not at all given they have the stiffer E450 chassis and longer wheel base.
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Sparky on September 05, 2013, 05:53:16 pm
  Ron,
    I guess someone zinged you haha,, why???? your just giving an opinion.. we also have the corner bed, yes, it is a little pain in the rear, especially when you throw in our 105lb puppy dog. Now let me say one thing when we RV we move around a lot,,from place to place.  We stay up late, get up early, so the comfort of the bed is to sleep.. .now maybe in the future when we plan some extended stops, the bed might make a difference, but I doubt it,  Heck if I wanted to sleep I just would stay home
sparky
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Ron Dittmer on September 05, 2013, 06:41:11 pm
I guess someone zinged you haha,, why???? your just giving an opinion.
I could be a Zing-A-Haulic  every time I didn't feel the same as another person.  I think I clicked on that button twice, and later regretted each time.  I have retired from that button.  It's there for others to use, just not an encouraging tool by me.

I got hammered when I provided input on how Phoenix could take a better picture for their on-line sales.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Bob Mahon on September 06, 2013, 07:57:33 am
You're back to 164, Ron. Couldn't let that slide.
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Barry-Sue on September 06, 2013, 08:59:57 am
Quote
Once again, I'm the fellow with the opposing viewpoint.    I'll be observing my helpful rating go down again.

Ron - I agree with you.  I wish they would just remove the "DISAGREE" button all together.  It would not even bother me if they removed the "HELPFUL" button as well.

Since our PCs are unique to each of us. what is helpful to one person might be totally disagreeable to another.  I just like reading what others do and make changes that will work for me.  I don't always agree with others but that doesn't mean it isn't helpful to others.

Sue
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Sparky on September 06, 2013, 10:24:50 am
Sue    well said,,, purpose of the forum is for us to DISCUSS, GIVE IDEALS, OPINIONS  to help each other,    example I have stolen many of Ron D.'s  tips and made them much better haha, just kidding,,, I take a lot of the tips, maybe copy them exact, or modify them... now when we discuss beds, size of vehicles etc, we are getting into personal preferences,,,  I like the smallest RV possible, why, wife loves to drive, easier for her, easier to drive, a little better mpg, overall cost cheaper,,,,, do I give up some things absolutely... I don't mind buying a used unit, I'm handy, do not mind fixing things,  some people are not,,,,
    Lots of people say things on the forum I do not agree to or would never do,,,, I respect their opinion, and if I want to comment,, I do not start out with I disagree,,, I state t We like to,, Or I use this method,    A lot of the questions that are asked are very good, a lot or dumb, but that's the price you pay.... Aimee does a great job moderating our forum.. I have been on some that talk politics and junk, I do a quick unsubscribe    Ron speaking of a picture,,, the dumbest thing is on the back of the PC   PHOENIXCRUISER.COM   I have had two people where I rented this unit from haha  any way have great day,,, summer drawing to an end tired of the heat.
sparky
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Pax on September 06, 2013, 11:27:37 am
I'm not that crazy about the phoenixcruiser.com graphic either.  Wonder how hard it would be to remove (or replace with either a Yankees logo or "You're following the best RV on the road")  :-D

We wondered about that curved indentation the back that sweeps around the exterior storage compartment and spare tire. One of the factors (a small factor) in our decision to get a PC was the overall styling and general good looks, and I guess that indentation is aesthetically pleasing, but I wonder if its there for other reasons....can't imagine what though.  Seems you can gain a relatively large amount of interior (bathroom) or exterior (storage) if you lose the indentation.

  - Mike
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Ron Dittmer on September 06, 2013, 11:39:34 am
We wondered about that curved indentation the back that sweeps around the exterior storage compartment and spare tire. One of the factors (a small factor) in our decision to get a PC was the overall styling and general good looks, and I guess that indentation is aesthetically pleasing, but I wonder if its there for other reasons....can't imagine what though.  Seems you can gain a relatively large amount of interior (bathroom) or exterior (storage) if you lose the indentation.
I too wondered about that early on but concluded it is a stylish way to provide more rigidity to the back wall.  Without it the back wall might resonate, flex, or even buckle.  A good solid back wall helps keep the side walls & roof in good alignment, and all the seam work in good order.
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Sparky on September 06, 2013, 06:26:40 pm
Ron I 100% disagree with your analysis, you must be thinking about ???,,, how could you think that the ???
 dad come it I'm so funny,,, haha,,,,   by 2cents,   we first need to ask the design guys at PC,,, I'm betting the whole piece is two parts and funnels down to where the window is.... I also bet when the make the end piece it's all one piece, they then cut the rear piece where the rear storage locker is,(would not take a bet on that one though),, door is different material...   going from memory, but are not most of the PC's the same in the rear... Now I have to look at tires for cracking, rear caps on Rv's and see how they are designed,, thks ron more jobs for me haha
sparky
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: TomHanlon on September 07, 2013, 07:31:46 am
When they blow fiberglass each bent makes the wall stronger. If I have done this right, the two attached pictures show the back side of the rear wall and the wooden rear wall that it goes against. Notice on the first picture the upper right side has added wood to mount the medicine cabinet to and the left side is for cutting out the rear window.
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Sparky on September 07, 2013, 08:22:18 am
Very nice pics and informative  do they allow walk-ins at the factory????   If so might do a drop in one if in the area,,,, I like seeing that kind of stuff anyway,  I'm always amazed at how they make stuff,  anyone involved in making things you be proud of what they do or did in their life.
sparky
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Pax on September 07, 2013, 10:34:49 am
Guess I don't have to wonder about that indent anymore!  2o2  Amazing.....

 - Mike
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: TomHanlon on September 07, 2013, 12:15:58 pm
Sparky most rv factories give tours, you just have to call them to fine out what days and times. Some allow walk-ins for the tours. At the PC factory they took me for a tour and then left me to watch and ask questions. Everyone was very happy to show me what they did and why. I was allowed to take as many pictures as I wanted.

Helpfull clicks are always appreciated.

Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: randallandchris on September 10, 2013, 04:16:30 pm
Hello, just joined and hoping to get some help re. PCs.  We just sold our 31' class A and had a 37' before that but are still downsizing.  Like the PC and expect to buy.  Especially like the 2552 with extra chair but wondering about maneuverability with its long wheelbase.  Can't find the degrees of wheel cut or turning radius for PCs.

Please share any info or experience like difference between 2350 and 2552 turning and parking.
Thanks much.
Randall
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Sparky on September 10, 2013, 06:19:15 pm
Randall
   welcome and hopefully welcome to a Cruiser,,, I can only talk about 2350,,,, we previously owned a roadtrek 210 loved it but wanted something a little bigger.. found a used PC and knowing the quality purchased it out of Seattle, we live in Houston,,, we have no problems handling the unit anywhere, my wife drives a lot and enjoys driving it.   you do move up from the 350 to the 450 Ford so they are a little larger if you go with the 52,,, a lot of guys/gals do not like the bed set up for the 2350 but we do not have a problem with it. hopefully you can find some units close by to inspect and look over, have you contacted the factory to see if any are available?.. good luck
David Sparks
2008 PC 2350
Houston
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: TomHanlon on September 11, 2013, 06:56:53 am
Welcome Randall and Chris,

We have had class A's in the 28, 34 and 35 foot range and class C's in the 26, and 21 foot before getting the PC2350. The PC2350 was followed by the PC2552. I special ordered the PC2350 built on the E450, the same as the 2552. The class A's we had all had the 45 degree turn. I can not tell you what the class C's are, but they are no where near that sharp. That being said the only time I have an issue is when turning and backing into a campsite or my driveway. I have to stop backing and pull forward to adjust. No big deal. Someday I will learn to better aim when backing and turning.

When we bought the 2350, our other choice was the 2551. We were concerned about the corner bed at the  time but my DW said she would sleep on the sofa and I would sleep on the bed. She has a problem in tight spaces and could not sleep locked into the corner bed. We liked the twin bed option but did not like the lack of a chair in the living room. Then the 2552 came out and the first show we went to was all she wrote. A 2552 was on order with only 10 months on the 2350. The 2350 let me park in some places like restaurants and some parking lots that the 2552 does fit as well. We pull a Jeep liberty more often now, but that means I don't have to break camp to go out to dinner or shopping. Happy wife, happy life.

Why don't you go to the factory in Elkhart, In and take a tour. They also sell trade-in, as you can see on this site.

Anymore question, just ask away. The folks on here love to talk about their PCs. Aimee is the only one on here that works for Phoenix and she is the forum Administrator. The others have access to the site but they never seem to be on here. Sometimes I wish they would jump in with some of the technical answers, but they don't.
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: jampodd on September 11, 2013, 07:33:40 am
Welcome Randall and Chris,
I see you live in MI part of the time. I live in NW Ohio and have a 2552. I'd be glad to show it to you and take a drive if you are anywhere near me. Send me a note if this sounds good and we can make plans to get together.
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: 2 Frazzled on September 11, 2013, 07:42:01 am
Welcome Randall and Chris! I see you are in Michigan - 29 PCs just rolled out of Petoskey yesterday at the end of the 20th reunion of The Intervec-Phoenix travel club. Many are still in the area and most owners are happy to show and discuss their unit. Several members were headed to Frankenmuth and we are sitting in a state park in Cadillac, MI with a route down to Grand Rapids area tonight then on down to Indiana. There are also several owners that live in Michigan that you can contact. Tom Hanlin gave us the deluxe 2552 tour before we bought which included lying on the twin beds, standing in the shower, etc. After his tour, we knew it would work for us. We drove to Elkhart for a factory tour and were very pleased with the quality of work they do AND their willingness to answer and explain without the hard sell. We ordered our new home that day.

We have the 2552 and just started a year on the road living and working in the PC. So far it's been awesome. If you do join the Phoenix family, mark your calendar for the second week in September when the club meets again in Colorado Springs. We met so many wonderful people and had a blast!
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: TomHanlon on September 11, 2013, 08:51:09 am
I forgot to mention how much nicer the bigger bathroom is over the 2350. The 2350 toilet was on a rizer that made it too high for my DW to touch the floor. The wardrobe in the bathroom is great.

When looking at an RV always stand in the shower and then think about drying yourself. Then sit on the toilet. Both of you do it. It may seem strange but it works.
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Ron Dittmer on September 11, 2013, 11:39:03 am
We own a 2007 2350 purchased new back then.  No doubt, the tight bathroom and rear corner double bed are confining.  It does seem that many people find them tollerable until after they explore a larger model like the 2552.  I can understand the 2350 would be especially an issue for people with limited mobility.

We hope never to replace our 2350.  We owned our first motor home for 24 years.  We hope to own this one longer yet, until our driving years have ended.  We learned much from our first motor home.  The 2350 was our "replacement" choice for the following reasons.

Priority #1 - It must fit inside our garage as did our first rig.  The 2350 just makes it.

Other priorities included....
- A good funtional daytime & nighttime floor plan without a slide out
- A full size dinette
- A double bed on main floor (we must sleep together)
- No conversion features (the bed and dinette stay that way all the time)
- A dry bathroom (no toilet in the shower)
- A decent size fridge

The rest that came with our PC was all great bonus stuff.  If ordering a new PC today, I would change my order only very little.  One thing I would greatly miss if getting a new 2350, is our older design outdoor storage compartment.  It is so much bigger than the 2350 of today.  I think PC-USA moved the fresh water tank forward and turned it 90 degrees to place that weight more centered and over the rear axle to improve handling.  They also relocated the furnace under the bed.

I would greatly miss our massive outdoor storage compartment of which we do fully utilize storing stuff we really do use.  Ours is so big, I can get inside it, and maybe even adding my wife.  That would make for a funny picture.  I did need to invest in some suspension upgrades to address handling issues, but all has been well since.  If ordering a new 2350, I'd request they make it like my old 2350 or a compromise of some sort to regain as much outdoor storage as possible.

We just wrapped up a 30 day trip in our 2350.  It was a real champ meeting every need without a complaint over it's accomodations & features.  Of the 30 days away, we had shore power only two nights, and never water or sewer hook-ups.  Not having a tow vehicle this trip helped because we drove the PC almost daily.  That maintained the twin coach batteries effectively.  PCs in general are great for primitive camping as long as you are wise with utility usage.
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: TomHanlon on September 11, 2013, 01:52:08 pm
Ron why do you say this?
"We own a 2007 2350 purchased new back then.  No doubt, the tight bathroom and rear corner double bed are confining.  It does seem that many people find them tolerable until after they explore a larger model like the 2552.  I can understand the 2350 would be especially an issue for people with limited mobility."

What mobility issues? Some of us just don't like climbing over each other to get up in the middle of the night. Or in my case my wife does not like closed spaces. We both gave up our teddy bears many years ago and don't feel the need to "have to always sleep together in the same bed".
 :)
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: 2 Frazzled on September 11, 2013, 02:11:45 pm
Whoa, Tom, them's fight'n words. I don't have to sleep with John but the Teddy Bear stays!
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Ron Dittmer on September 11, 2013, 02:54:29 pm
Ron why do you say this?
"We own a 2007 2350 purchased new back then.  No doubt, the tight bathroom and rear corner double bed are confining.  It does seem that many people find them tolerable until after they explore a larger model like the 2552.  I can understand the 2350 would be especially an issue for people with limited mobility."

What mobility issues? Some of us just don't like climbing over each other to get up in the middle of the night. Or in my case my wife does not like closed spaces. We both gave up our teddy bears many years ago and don't feel the need to "have to always sleep together in the same bed".
 :)
Tom, some people are up in the years with hip and/or knee replacements, athritic issues, overweight challenges, etc,  all that could easily translate into "limited mobility" when crawling in and out from a 2350 bed.  I didn't mean to imply that everyone who has switched from a 2350, has mobility issues.  Sorry if it came out like that.

Oh, and by the way, I sleep against the bathroom wall, Irene against the outside wall.  When either of us get up during the night, we both get up.  We learned early on not to try climbing over eachother.  The inconvenience is a small price to pay for the "Teddy Bear" benefit.  I guess we never grew up. :)
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: Barry-Sue on September 11, 2013, 03:11:52 pm
Randall and Chris

Welcome to the forum.

We had a 2008 2350 and we now have a 2012 2551 and can do some comparisons for you.  We are in Southeastern Michigan and if you are in the area you are welcome to stop by and we can talk about our PC's.

Barry and Sue
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: TomHanlon on September 11, 2013, 03:29:30 pm
Ok, you guys can keep your teddy bears. No hard feelings here. heartshower
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: randallandchris on September 11, 2013, 09:12:31 pm
Thanks to all for the welcome and great feedback.  We've been looking since sold our MH in Jan. and even stopped by the PC factory in July while they were down but was raining and didn't ask to test drive though Kermit was helpful and gave the best tour he could under circumstances.
Chris(wife) wouldn't even go in the 2350 but I'm interested for maneuverability and doing without a dinghy.  Bed might be issue since I'd be on inside with reduced legroom, also she brings a lot of stuff.
If we get the longer 2552 would probably tow a car and concerned how I'd do at the gas pumps and all the stops Chris insists making at every little fruit or pecan stand with limited space.  Anybody ever done a U-turn in 2552?  I recall driving an extended 3500 Chevy van and it had a huge turning radius.
Thanks....Randall
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: ragoodsp on September 12, 2013, 08:28:03 am
There is no doubt that towing a toad does limit you some and you do have to think ahaead  so to not get into a situation where you have to back up.  The turning radius with the long wheeelbase (I have the 3100) like what is under the 2552 is not great that is for sure.  My 38' Class A turned sharper than the E-450 does but with that said again you just have to think ahead  and you will not have any trouble.  While everyone has their own preferances when it comes to floor plans that work for them i would have to agree with your wife 100% on this one...corner beds just do not work for most individulas regardless if you take a teddy bear to bed or not.  About the time I called someone in my household a teddy bear I think I would be sleeping on the front sofa with a real "teddy bear" for quite sometime!!!!!Best of luck,  and I am sure  you will love the 2552
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: randallandchris on September 13, 2013, 01:50:28 pm
Received turning diameter info from Ford:

Thank you for your interest in Ford Motor Company and for your interest in our E-350 and E-450 DRW cutaway chassis vehicle. The maximum degree of wheel cut that you have requested is not a measurement that we normally make. However, we do have the turning diameter of the E-350 and E-450 DRW cutaways. Turning diameter is defined as the diameter of the outside track made by the outside front tire during the shortest turn. When comparing competitive truck specifications, be sure to note whether they specify a diameter or radius dimension.

                                                                          Turning Diameter (ft.)

                                  Wheelbase                   Curb-to-Curb      Wall-to-Wall

E-350 DRW /E-450     158                                  54.8                   56.2

E-350 DRW/ E-450     176                                  60.3                   61.8

The Curb to Curb measurement is the turning diameter in feet to the outer front tire. The Wall to Wall measurement is the turning diameter in feet to the outer corner of the bumper. The turning diameter is the average of left and right turns with standard tires.

Mercedes says their Sprinter with 170" chassis is 54.6' wall-to-wall, so it must have a slightly sharper wheel cut.  Now if its nearly linear then the 2552 turning diameter should be about 72' or 6 lanes of road which pretty much rules out a U-turn with toad which would be a gutsy thing anyway.
Randall
Title: Re: Which model is best for us?
Post by: TomHanlon on September 13, 2013, 02:03:47 pm
 Good information, thanks. You got a helpful for it.