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Title: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 03, 2019, 08:15:19 pm
Hi folks, looking for opinions on the value of a couple of options....

Surround sound:    MSRP $690  Wondering if sound quality is ok and is it throughout the coach? Decent subwoofer?  Graphic equalizer on head unit? Does it connect to TV? Cab radio?

Insulated glass:   MSRP $1508  Does it help with exterior noise? Anybody had issues with clouding? General observations?

All opinions welcome.
More questions to come as we get closer to pulling the trigger.

Thanks, Jim G.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: 2 Frazzled on March 04, 2019, 07:22:00 am
Insulated glass- Makes a difference with noise but definitely still hear things. Not sound proof. Bigger plus is heat and cold barrier.

The emergency window on our 2552 is starting to fog after 5.5 years. Only one. It has always seemed to leak cold air. I suspect it was improperly sealed from day one and I didn't know enough to complain. I talked to Doug at the factory and he said it is an easy swap out but he has to order the window so I'm replacing it next time we are near Elkhart.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Ron Dittmer on March 04, 2019, 07:47:26 am
We've had both for 12 years and 40,000 miles.

Our insulated glass windows are of the older design that slide to the side to open.  So far so good on the fogging...nothing yet.  We feel they are well worth the cost.  It is more quiet inside and they control the inside temperatures much better.  Our old rig without thermal windows, they would sweat a lot over-night, running wet droplets in the morning.  The thermal windows do not sweat at all.  Everything is nice and dry.  We also notice in our 2350 sleeping with thermal windows by our head and Irene's side, there is no noticed radiated cold on cold nights with the shades drawn.  Our old rig with shades drawn, we noticed the cold fall on our faces.

Regarding the surround sound.  We are glad we have it.  In our 2350 without a slide-out, we did have Phoenix install the subwoofer in the front dinette bench seat to free up the outer storage compartment.  I will admit the sound system is not "Bose" quality, but it's nice enough, surely worth the price.  I would not want to rely on the speakers inside the TV.  Our head unit is the old "Executive" brand which has FM radio, CD, and DVD.  The FM radio portion is NOT user friendly.  I have considered replacing the head unit with an updated blueray version, but have not been motivated enough yet to take action.  I do NOT know if current day units include AM and/or FM radio.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: bftownes on March 04, 2019, 09:34:39 am
I chose the insulated windows.  Really can't comment since we took delivery in September 2018 and used it for 4 months.  No complaints and, since it was mentioned, in colder temps, our windows remain dry and clear.

I think the surround sound is a nice option.  Keep in mind that whatever you are watching, DVD for example, must be surround sound compatible {if I'm saying that properly}.  The sound while watching regular TV will come over the front two speaker which is far better than the TV speakers.  DVD surround sound is pretty good and is evident that you are enjoying surround sound, especially in such a small space.  As Ron said, it is not BOSE quality, but I suspect that HQ would install a BOSE system if asked.

The cab radio does not project through the speakers, but project through the cab speakers and two speakers in the rear of the motorhome (3100).

I'm happy I opted for these.  Good luck with your build and do NOT hesitate to contact HQ and ask for any modifications you may dream up.  The worse that can happen is they say "no".

Cheers  :)(:

Barry T
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Joseph on March 04, 2019, 11:19:03 am
Have them install the ac units from advanced rv and not the noisy penguins . Advanced rv is the us supplier and will ship directly to you or the builder.  If I was buying new that would be in the top three that were a must. A deal breaker if they wouldnít offer it
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Ron Dittmer on March 04, 2019, 05:12:31 pm
I forgot to mention what Barry T said about the Ford cab radio, and the surround sound system.  I agree with him, though not sure which speakers work for CATV and non surround sound DVDs.  I never paid attention to that, but what he says sounds about right to me.

Nothing is shared between the TV surround sound system and the Ford radio inside the dash board.  The surround sound system speakers are dedicated to the TV which are hooked up together to the head unit (DVD surround sound player) located in the upper right cabinet.

In our 2007-2350, we have two speakers in the rear pointing downward over the rear corner double bed.  They are hooked up to the Ford radio in the front cab.  They are controlled by the "fade" feature within the Ford radio.  Given Ford has only two door speakers up front, the fade feature is otherwise not utilized, so it works out perfectly.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 04, 2019, 07:40:37 pm
Thanks for all the comments!
I had forgotten about the condensation issue. We have non insulated windows in our current trailer and years ago I swore I would never have them again.

SO consider me sold on both options.

Now I've got to decide about Truma HW, compressor fridge, ACs, AGM, Alum Wheels, spare tire option, Euro Chair or cabinet, power beds (leaning towards one), 6" stretch and much much more.  :beg

Ron: Thank you for convincing me to pass on the undercoating. I will plan to apply my own Fluid Film before any winter forays.
Joseph: Will certainly learn more about the Advanced RV air conditioners as noise is not my friend.

Regards, Jim G.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Ron Dittmer on March 04, 2019, 10:41:43 pm
Jim,

I missed the part as to the PC model you plan to order.  If ordering a 2552 as stated in your profile, I kindly offer my thoughts.

- YES to the spare tire because the extra weight in back is not of concern
- NO to the Euro chair for a no-slide, or if you plan to seat-belt a 3rd passenger now and then.  Get a fixed 3rd captain seat (with seat belt) instead because there is no place to move it anyway.
- YES to a separate switched porch light in back and also on driver side to light up all around the PC when needed
- YES to small awnings over all windows on driver side
- YES only for ALCOA brand alloy wheels.  Avoid other brands for the alloy is very likely a weaker material.
- YES to two 6V AGM batteries
- NO to undercoating (you already agreed)
- YES to full body paint

I don't know what TV antenna gets installed these days.  I do not like our old style crank-up one at all.  It works fine, but is a massive contraption that is horribly installed on the roof with lots of goop and a strange shaped mounting plate.  It's not Phoenix's fault but rather the design of the antenna.  I also don't like where Phoenix mounted it.  I feel they should have mounted our antenna a foot further back to avoid the otherwise nicely painted, clean & smooth B+ cap.  A non-crank-up antenna would not have a crank inside, just a rotator.  Or maybe install a 360 degree antenna not requiring rotation.  Either choice could be placed anywhere in the ceiling inconspicuously.

I personally love the wood grain cab area we have, but that is surely a personal matter.  Make sure Phoenix understands the finish you want whether it be matching wood grain or the carbon fiber look.

Keep in-mind that you can have the current offering galley sink and stove, or the older design with square sink and Corian-covered stove.  I would ping the few people here who have experience with both designs.  We love our older design a lot with one exception that I am not sure is avoided with the stove of today.  When cooking with an extra large pan that over-hangs the knobs, the heat damages them as SHOWN HERE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/37432012@N08/albums/72157645310533363) with ours.  I replaced the knobs and decal so it's fine again.  If only my wife would pay better attention.  It takes many times cooking with a don't care attitude for them to get like that.  Irene thought I was over-protective of our PC until she finally cooked them to look like the pictures.  She has since made sure the large pan over-hangs elsewhere.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 06, 2019, 09:17:02 pm
Ron: Thanks for the insightful reply!
Jim,

I missed the part as to the PC model you plan to order.  If ordering a 2552 as stated in your profile, I kindly offer my thoughts. Yes really like the 2552. This is about the largest my wife will feel comfortable driving that has permanent beds which is the first requirement I was given.

- YES to the spare tire because the extra weight in back is not of concern [b]SOLD. would never want to have to wait for service for  simple tire change. [/b]
- NO to the Euro chair for a no-slide, or if you plan to seat-belt a 3rd passenger now and then.  Get a fixed 3rd captain seat (with seat belt) instead because there is no place to move it anyway. Agreed, thug we do want a slide unit, the chair seems bulky and unneccesary when you can just spin the passenger seat around. Willl likely go for the extra cabinet there that provides a mll table.
- YES to a separate switched porch light in back and also on driver side to light up all around the PC when needed Great idea!
- YES to small awnings over all windows on driver side Great idea again. Had not thought much about this but I do like the looks and they must help quit a bit with heat of the sun.
- YES only for ALCOA brand alloy wheels.  Avoid other brands for the alloy is very likely a weaker material. This one will depend on price. Though I do love the look of nice Aluminum rims, I dont want to buy an expensive maintenence item. Even the clear coated ones don't look good forever.
- YES to two 6V AGM batteries Ok, agreed
- NO to undercoating (you already agreed)  (nod)
- YES to full body paint  (nod) (nod) (nod)

I don't know what TV antenna gets installed these days.  I do not like our old style crank-up one at all.  It works fine, but is a massive contraption that is horribly installed on the roof with lots of goop and a strange shaped mounting plate.  It's not Phoenix's fault but rather the design of the antenna.  I also don't like where Phoenix mounted it.  I feel they should have mounted our antenna a foot further back to avoid the otherwise nicely painted, clean & smooth B+ cap.  A non-crank-up antenna would not have a crank inside, just a rotator.  Or maybe install a 360 degree antenna not requiring rotation.  Either choice could be placed anywhere in the ceiling inconspicuously. [b]I have noticed just this on some of the used ads. Antenna up on the front cap doesn't look good. We will probably not go for satellite and a good non-crank will suffice.[/b]

I personally love the wood grain cab area we have, but that is surely a personal matter.  Make sure Phoenix understands the finish you want whether it be matching wood grain or the carbon fiber look. Interesting you mention this. At the Tampa show all the units had the gold carbon fiber look. We didn't really like it but didn't ask about available choices. Will now. Thanks!

Keep in-mind that you can have the current offering galley sink and stove, or the older design with square sink and Corian-covered stove. We don't mind the look of the new style but will certainly inquire about options at the factory. I would ping the few people here who have experience with both designs.  We love our older design a lot with one exception that I am not sure is avoided with the stove of today.  When cooking with an extra large pan that over-hangs the knobs, the heat damages them as SHOWN HERE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/37432012@N08/albums/72157645310533363) with ours.  I replaced the knobs and decal so it's fine again.  If only my wife would pay better attention.  It takes many times cooking with a don't care attitude for them to get like that. Sounds like you and your wife are opposite my wife Marge and I. She tends to be the more meticulous one and I am more often the one being "corrected" .  roflol But it is all good. Irene thought I was over-protective of our PC until she finally cooked them to look like the pictures.  She has since made sure the large pan over-hangs elsewhere.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: mikeh on March 07, 2019, 12:07:22 am
Jim,

Looking over your posts refreshes familiar issues that I worked through late last year while trying to lock in specs for my new 2552 (which I picked up in February).  I wonder how many PC buyers have struggled through the same familiar effort--we all want our new purchase to be as "right" as we can make it to begin with, and it's a challenge to consider all the options and try to evaluate which of them make sense for us to plunk down the extra money.  We read volumes of posts on the forum, trying to glean what other buyers opted for, and how the results worked out for them.  At the risk of boring you with a long post that you may have already seen, I'll attempt to link to an earlier post in the "Introductions" section in which I went over options I chose for my own 2552.  I've not tried to link another post before, so if I mess it up I apologize in advance:

https://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php?topic=4.msg30228#msg30228 (https://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php?topic=4.msg30228#msg30228)

In any event, I don't think there is an option for the PC (plus some "add-ons") that I didn't consider in great detail and research pretty thoroughly, so if there is any particular question I can possibly address, I would be glad to do that either here or by PM.  Developing the details of your unit is one of the really enjoyable parts of the purchase process, but I it is a genuine challenge and can deteriorate into some confusion and even frustration before everything is finalized.  Anyway, all the best in your efforts,

Mike   
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: 2 Frazzled on March 07, 2019, 08:42:06 am
We have the cabinets & the eurochair. We wouldn't give up that chair for anything, it's the most comfortable seat in the house. Having both does push the chair out a bit so we have a smaller aisle when the slide is in but we can easily get around. We slide it into the kitchen area and turn the passenger seat for seating for four. John also likes it dead center in the open space for TV viewing.

It's all a matter of personal taste and planned use.

Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 07, 2019, 08:24:41 pm
Thank you guys for all the input. I hope to have some time this weekend to organize my thoughts and priorities.
I started a spreadsheet a while back and have been throwing ideas at it (mostly from this site) but now it is time to get it cleaned up and useful.
Sure I'll be asking lots more questions!

Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 07, 2019, 09:02:17 pm
2 Frazzled, do you know if the Euro Chair can fit through the door?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: 2 Frazzled on March 08, 2019, 09:05:26 am
Yes, we've wrestled it out before. I also want to say that you could add a recliner later (as long as you choose one that fits through the door.) I had eyed the sleek Stressless recliners for years before we bought the rig and considered one of those instead but opted for the factory supplied chair, we like it and it matches everything else. You could ask Phoenix to install the bolt hole in the floor and just put in the knob. This means you either have a knob to stub your toe on or you find some sort of cap to cover it and stash the knob until you add a chair.

Factory method to secure the chair: bolt hole in floor, angled steel bar with hole for bolt on one end and "u" shaped section on other end that goes over base of the chair. Big knob on bolt to screw on and off. Chair has round raised base so bar cups it like putting a hand over it to hold it down. Bar looks like squared of question mark. π_ (sort of)

Our method (as shown by friend): screw hole in floor, knob installed through D-ring in heavy duty dog collar that has "d" ring big enough for screw to go through, flexible dog collar wraps the chair base. Dog collar allows quick release and easy lock down. Collar stays on bolt, not on chair when unlocked. Will it hold in a severe accident or roll over? Don't know but that chair would be the least of our worries at that point. I expect half the rig would break loose by the time the chair did.

If you want a bolted down seat with seatbelts, have Phoenix install - remember you won't be able to move it. When we carry a third person, they strap in on the couch. Personal preference.

Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 10, 2019, 02:34:23 pm
OK, so I've finally got most of my ideas for a 2552 into a list with my current thinking on each option.
This is certainly a work in progress but I think a good start.
A copy of today's version is attached.
A lot of my question marks can be answered by a call to the factory I'm sure but I welcome your input on any items you have an opinion about.
I have listed some prices but only the items with an MSRP are from PC and the rest are just my estimates. Some items I have no idea and left them at $0.
Any input on pricing of options would be especially appreciated.

Best regards, Jim G.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Ron Dittmer on March 10, 2019, 07:51:32 pm
Jim,

A quick scan of your list brings up something I had always wondered.

I am very protective of our roof.  My motto is: The fewer holes in the roof, the better.  I always wondered if it would be smarter to put in a Fantastic fan or better in a rear PC bathroom, and delete the one just forward of it.  This way you draw all heat and odors rearward and out for improved "flow-thru" ventilation.  It would also prevent bathroom odors from getting into the other areas of the house.  But don't take my thoughts as gospel.  Draw out opinions from the rest of the PC family.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: mikeh on March 10, 2019, 10:00:30 pm
OK Jim,

I'm sure you knew I'd chime back in after reviewing your spreadsheet (top to bottom), but I'll try to be succinct and only on things I can answer or have a strong opinion on:
--Maxx Air Fans.  After assessing mine, I like these; I haven't personally compared directly to the Fantastic units, but the reviews from many others have been superior.
--Surge Protection.  I have the Progressive Dynamics EMS model EMS-HW50C; it's the standard Phoenix install, and I think it's going to work fine based on my review of the unit and the readout information it is providing me.
--Backup Monitor.  Phoenix spec sheet said it was a "Sony Monitor".  Unit installed in mine turned out to be a Boyo 7-inch monitor manufactured by Vision Tech America.  Seems to be OK; yes, it can be run continuously.
--Liquid Springs.  Little surprised to see this based on your earlier post where you mentioned looking for ways to save on cost.  Pretty pricey option.  I have NO basis on which to comment on value; I decided not to include them on mine based on quite a few forum postings extolling the favorable ride on the standard 2552.  I am happy with the ride in the thousand miles I have on mine, but that's hardly any type of fair test yet.
--In Dash GPS/Sirius/Bluetooth.  I don't like in-dash GPS, but I do like Sirius Radio and hands-free phone capability.  I didn't go with their all-in-one unit, but I had them install a less expensive Pioneer 6-inch screen that has Sirius and phone capability.  That way they did the factory install on the Sirius roof antenna, and with my Garmin GPS I've got all of the features I want.
--Solar Panel.  Again, pretty pricey, but the main advantage here is that it pretty effectively keeps your house batteries automatically topped off if you're parked outside.  Obviously depends on usage, etc, but even with our cloudy/wintry skies mine while parked shows at least a constant 2-3 amp charge when it's light (much more in sun), and if I do something to run them down to 90% or so, they come back up to 100% in a few hours and maintain there without my attention, even with the battery switch set to off.  If you're plugged into power most of the time when at home and on the road you can certainly do without solar, but in any type of off-power situation they are a pretty big (automatic) help.
--Lagun Tables.  Sure like the Lagun tables.  I opted for the cabinet set behind the passenger seat primarily to get the fold-up table for a computer work space--before I found out about the Lagun tables.  I now have both, and there's no comparison (in my opinion) regarding usability and versatility.  I still like the cabinets actually--there is several discreet storage spaces there that I will use, and I didn't need the Eurochair they replaced, but I am using the Lagun tables for all of my sit-down work.
--SeeLevel Gauges.  So far I like the SeeLevels; they give me exact % read-out on water, gray, black, propane, and battery; I can see the levels change a percent at a time.  Time will tell about reliability--that will be the main issue; I think they're worth the money if they hold up.
--Converter.  I was initially concerned about the converter when I assumed that Phoenix was still using the Parallax single stage unit that they had been installing in 2017.  My solution was to ask them to install the Progressive Dynamics PD4500 3-stage converter as certain others had done.  When I surfaced that issue, I found found that they had already made that change to the PD unit as their standard converter.  So far it seems to be working great with my AGM batteries.
--Mirror w/Compass.  Didn't buy this $300+ option since you can't see behind the coach with the mirror anyway (and I have a compass heading on my Garmin GPS).  I assumed this would mean there would be no rear view mirror at all--but one is installed--just no compass heading in it.  I'm fine with that.
--Awning.  Believe your listing is the regular awning option for the 2552.  My build sheet from Phoenix lists only the 18-foot awning as the option for the 2552 (the 17-foot is listed as the option for the 2551).  There is the second option for the wind sensor and remote control.
--Mobile Eye.  Both Mobile Eye 5 and 6 series units do offer lane departure warning.  I didn't opt for this option up front, since it's something else that can be added on relatively easily if desired.  I do have to say that when first piloting the E-450, I was transported back a few years technology-wise.  I guess I had gotten used to built-in blind-spot notifications, lane departure, automatic braking, memory seat settings, even multiple cockpit USB connections--all of which were on my last couple of vehicles and none of which were on my new E-450.  It was kind of like climbing into the 2005 (or so) vehicle that it really is.  It's very capable and adequate, of course, but you''ll notice the difference.  Fortunately the aftermarket stuff available (like Mobile Eye), will let one incorporate just about any capability that they really want to add.

There's quite a few other personal-preference items I could comment on, but because they fall in that category you're really the only one that can decide how important they may be to you.  I'd certainly try to address anything you had a specific question on, however.

All the best,       Mike     
     





Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: gandalf42 on March 11, 2019, 05:45:56 am
Jim,

A quick scan of your list brings up something I had always wondered.

I am very protective of our roof.  My motto is: The fewer holes in the roof, the better.  I always wondered if it would be smarter to put in a Fantastic fan or better in a rear PC bathroom, and delete the one just forward of it.  This way you draw all heat and odors rearward and out for improved "flow-thru" ventilation.  It would also prevent bathroom odors from getting into the other areas of the house.  But don't take my thoughts as gospel.  Draw out opinions from the rest of the PC family.

Ron, I deleted the bathroom fan with the thought that since there was a flow through space at the roof and the bedroom fan was only a few feet away it would suffice. I chose to keep the bedroom fan over the bath fan thinking that the bedroom fan would be reversible and could be used to blow air in on the beds at other times. When they built the RV they omitted the reversible nature (without consult) saying it was too close to the black tank vent and would violate the RV build code. My thought was "So, why didn't you move it forward a couple inches?? (as that would have put it within code)"  (WH) We have been fine without the bathroom fan although I may retrofit the fan someday to be reversible.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Ron Dittmer on March 11, 2019, 10:26:15 am
Interesting Mike.

More thoughts on Jim's list.
- Not sure if you deleting the slide out or modifying the configuration within the slide out.
- 6V AGM batteries are $500 above and beyond conventional 6V batteries?  At that price it seems no credit was given to the conventional batteries.  I would opt for conventional technology, get whatever years you can from them, then replace them with Duracal AGM 6V batteries from Costco for $350 for the pair.  That is a $350 savings.  Spend the $350 on something else for your PC.
- What shades come if not getting Magna shades?  I thought Magna was standard.
- Water accumulator tank.  I installed a Home Depot 2 gallon tank and love it, love, it, love it.  I highly recommend the stainless 2 gallon tank version with feet.  Spend some of the $350 battery savings on that one.
- Thicker marine plywood, most certainly.  It seems a lot though, but would still get it.  I wonder why they went thinner?
- Get the biggest awning you can.  Bigger is better.
- Ask about fabric-matching upholstered zippered mattress covers making them look more like couch cushions instead of mattresses.
Here is ours that matches the material on the dinette.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1783/43100925192_1260575e47_z.jpg)
- This one bothered me (and still does) with our 2007 PC.  Our bedroom curtains and headboard do not match our living area.  I would ask so you know what to expect.  CLICK HERE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/37432012@N08/albums/72157617468317295/with/43100925192/) and go through my interior pictures and notice the differences.  I don't know what Phoenix was thinking.  I would have loved to have our PC finished the same throughout.  It's not so big to be decorating rooms differently.  I feel it's like having the family sedan with mismatched front and back seats.

Here is the 2 gallon accumulator tank I like.  It actually holds 0.7 gallons of water.  The rest is compressed air for water pressure.  They used to be found much cheaper.  The lowest I found just now is HERE (https://www.altestore.com/store/solar-water-pumps/surface-solar-pumps/shurflo-surface-pumps/accessories-for-shurflo-pumps/shurflo-2-gal-ss-pre-charged-pressure-tank-p4302/) for $139.  If the compartment in your PC for it has "height" mount the pump on top of it which would have been ideal for our PC.
(https://newcontent.westmarine.com/content/images/catalog/large/492739.jpg)

Here is the "Home Depot equivalent" accumulator I installed in 2008.  It has never given us trouble, only nice consistent water pressure, good pump cycling, and quiet pump operation.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3630/3507693131_74b69ef2f2_z.jpg?zz=1)

Here it is shrouded for protection against stuff being in the outdoor compartment under our rear corner double bed.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3350/3507693091_85041ecbd7_z.jpg?zz=1)
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Volkemon on March 11, 2019, 11:01:03 am

- 6V AGM batteries are $500 above and beyond conventional 6V batteries?  At that price it seems no credit was given to the conventional batteries.  I would opt for conventional technology, get whatever years you can from them, then replace them with Duracal AGM 6V batteries from Costco for $350 for the pair.  That is a $350 savings.  Spend the $350 on something else for your PC.


Whoa!  Yes, something amiss there. My wholesale price on Trojan 6V AGM's is ~$135. The 12V group 31's AGM were on sale for $115.   NO WAY that should be a $500 upgrade for just batteries.  MAYBE (Hopefully?)  just maybe they put in a better multi-stage battery charger?  2o2  Would be a good question to ask...Therein may lay some of the difference...
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: mikeh on March 11, 2019, 02:14:05 pm
Guys, I think Jim may have been estimating on the AGM upgrade cost, since they're not actually listed as one of the priced options on the price estimation sheet on the website.  If so, he was pretty close to MSRP though, since my Phoenix build sheet (which does have them listed) carries a price of $480 for the pair (upgrade).  With the approximate 20% discount, that makes the actual upgrade cost you pay at about $384.

Mike
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: donc13 on March 11, 2019, 02:44:40 pm

- 6V AGM batteries are $500 above and beyond conventional 6V batteries?  At that price it seems no credit was given to the conventional batteries.  I would opt for conventional technology, get whatever years you can from them, then replace them with Duracal AGM 6V batteries from Costco for $350 for the pair.  That is a $350 savings.  Spend the $350 on something else for your PC.


Whoa!  Yes, something amiss there. My wholesale price on Trojan 6V AGM's is ~$135. The 12V group 31's AGM were on sale for $115.   NO WAY that should be a $500 upgrade for just batteries.  MAYBE (Hopefully?)  just maybe they put in a better multi-stage battery charger?  2o2  Would be a good question to ask...Therein may lay some of the difference...

Lifelines are $300 apiece delivered (retail cost, Phoenix may get a lower price) , subtract the cost of the 2 Interstate lead/acid batteries ($150 wholesale?) and we are talking about $450 cost difference.

Don
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Volkemon on March 11, 2019, 03:01:09 pm
Thanks Mike and Don!   

That does put it into perspective.

I forget to put myself into the 'New Purchase' state of mind.  Upgrading to AGM for ~$375 is pretty fair. ESPECIALLY going from Interstate to Lifeline, IMO.

I would still ask some very pointed questions about the charger, however.

At the least, I would want one that has 3 stages.  AGM charging profile a must. This would be a reasonable precaution.

A battery temperature sensor isnt as critical compared to 'wet' batteries, but would be good if available.

Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: gandalf42 on March 11, 2019, 04:15:21 pm
Ron's comments about curtains reminded me of a change I had them do. We ordered the grey interior but thought grey curtains and valences made too much grey. We sent PC material and they made us forest green curtains and the valences are a green & leaf design. PC did a great job and also returned the unused material. We were able to then use the material to make couch cushions with the curtain material on one side and the valence material on the other. Very happy with both.

Not sure if they would still do that or not, as they frequently change what they will or will not do.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 11, 2019, 05:11:13 pm
You guys are awesome!
I'll have more comments later, on the way to #1 granddaughters band concert now.

Did want to mention the $500 price on AGM was a guess on my part.
I recently bought two Lifeline AGMs for my backup sump pump that added up to $700 but they are huge batteries.

Really appreciate the comments and great ideas.

Jim G.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 13, 2019, 08:10:21 pm
Jim,

A quick scan of your list brings up something I had always wondered.

I am very protective of our roof.  My motto is: The fewer holes in the roof, the better.  I always wondered if it would be smarter to put in a Fantastic fan or better in a rear PC bathroom, and delete the one just forward of it.  This way you draw all heat and odors rearward and out for improved "flow-thru" ventilation.  It would also prevent bathroom odors from getting into the other areas of the house.  But don't take my thoughts as gospel.  Draw out opinions from the rest of the PC family.

Ron: I agree with your thinking about the rearward air flow and am likely to get an upgraded fan in the bathroom for just that reason. Especially because a fan right over my head might be an issue for me when trying to sleep.
But my current plan is to have three fans just to keep my options open. My main reason for considering the idea of the MaxxAir fans is again noise.I would prefer to run multiple fans on the lowest speeds than one on high. My understanding is the 10 speed MaxxAirs are very quiet on low.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 13, 2019, 08:14:49 pm
Ron's comments about curtains reminded me of a change I had them do. We ordered the grey interior but thought grey curtains and valences made too much grey. We sent PC material and they made us forest green curtains and the valences are a green & leaf design. PC did a great job and also returned the unused material. We were able to then use the material to make couch cushions with the curtain material on one side and the valence material on the other. Very happy with both.

Not sure if they would still do that or not, as they frequently change what they will or will not do.

Mike: Thanks for mentioning this as I would never have thought of it. I think we are happy with the Graystone interior as is but will be taking another look before ordering.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Ron Dittmer on March 13, 2019, 08:53:50 pm
Jim,

A quick scan of your list brings up something I had always wondered.

I am very protective of our roof.  My motto is: The fewer holes in the roof, the better.  I always wondered if it would be smarter to put in a Fantastic fan or better in a rear PC bathroom, and delete the one just forward of it.  This way you draw all heat and odors rearward and out for improved "flow-thru" ventilation.  It would also prevent bathroom odors from getting into the other areas of the house.  But don't take my thoughts as gospel.  Draw out opinions from the rest of the PC family.

Ron: I agree with your thinking about the rearward air flow and am likely to get an upgraded fan in the bathroom for just that reason. Especially because a fan right over my head might be an issue for me when trying to sleep.
But my current plan is to have three fans just to keep my options open. My main reason for considering the idea of the MaxxAir fans is again noise.I would prefer to run multiple fans on the lowest speeds than one on high. My understanding is the 10 speed MaxxAirs are very quiet on low.
Well, your 2552 is notably longer than our 2350, and unlike our 2007 slide-open windows, the current-day jalousie windows offer a negligible amount of natural air flow.  Newer PCs require a little ventilation encouragement from fans so I understand all the discussion and focus on fans.  So be sure to take into consideration that my comments are from an owner of a 2350 2007 model year with slide-open windows that open to about 40% of the over-all window.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 13, 2019, 08:59:33 pm
Mike: Yet again I am impressed and very appreciative of your well thought out and detailed response.
My comments added below.

OK Jim,

I'm sure you knew I'd chime back in after reviewing your spreadsheet (top to bottom), but I'll try to be succinct and only on things I can answer or have a strong opinion on:
--Maxx Air Fans.  After assessing mine, I like these; I haven't personally compared directly to the Fantastic units, but the reviews from many others have been superior. I have fantastic fans now and they are trouble free but even on low they still make a bit more noise than I like. Hoping the 10 speed MaxxAir will be quieter at the lower speeds. When you need to move a lot of air, pretty sure they are more comparable. I also like the waterproof design. Glad you have had good luck with them.
--Surge Protection.  I have the Progressive Dynamics EMS model EMS-HW50C; it's the standard Phoenix install, and I think it's going to work fine based on my review of the unit and the readout information it is providing me. Thats great,  We are currently using the 30 amp version in our trailer and have been happy with it.
--Backup Monitor.  Phoenix spec sheet said it was a "Sony Monitor".  Unit installed in mine turned out to be a Boyo 7-inch monitor manufactured by Vision Tech America.  Seems to be OK; yes, it can be run continuously. I took a look at the Boyo on Crutchfield and they look like a quality unit. Does yours have multi-input capability?
--Liquid Springs.  Little surprised to see this based on your earlier post where you mentioned looking for ways to save on cost.  Pretty pricey option.  I have NO basis on which to comment on value; I decided not to include them on mine based on quite a few forum postings extolling the favorable ride on the standard 2552.  I am happy with the ride in the thousand miles I have on mine, but that's hardly any type of fair test yet. Yea, I am inconsistent like that sometimes roflol but  we really don't have a target price as much as wanting to get good value. And we hope this PC will last us a long time so unless we found an exceptional used unit for real cheep (not likely), then we will probably not skimp on options. We did test drive a 2552 with LS and loved the ride. Have to admit, our only frame of reference was to our previous low end Coachman class C. But the PC rode like it was on rails. Thinking there will be a lot less sway and rattling , improved emergency handling, less wear and tear on the coach, and cure the common cold.  ;)
--In Dash GPS/Sirius/Bluetooth.  I don't like in-dash GPS, but I do like Sirius Radio and hands-free phone capability.  I didn't go with their all-in-one unit, but I had them install a less expensive Pioneer 6-inch screen that has Sirius and phone capability.  That way they did the factory install on the Sirius roof antenna, and with my Garmin GPS I've got all of the features I want. Ok great! Thought I would be swapping it out on my own because I didn't think they would do it seeing they offer the GPS option. . Looks like you can buy a pretty loaded system from Crutchfield for 3-$400 but if PC can do it for a reasonable price I'm game. Thanks for the idea.
--Solar Panel.  Again, pretty pricey, but the main advantage here is that it pretty effectively keeps your house batteries automatically topped off if you're parked outside.  Obviously depends on usage, etc, but even with our cloudy/wintry skies mine while parked shows at least a constant 2-3 amp charge when it's light (much more in sun), and if I do something to run them down to 90% or so, they come back up to 100% in a few hours and maintain there without my attention, even with the battery switch set to off.  If you're plugged into power most of the time when at home and on the road you can certainly do without solar, but in any type of off-power situation they are a pretty big (automatic) help. Good points. Our thinking is we typically camp where there is power. DW is the nervous type and not likely to get into boon-docking. We also have power hookup at home. Other than short rest area stops or an occasional quick overnight at a Cracker Barrel, I don't anticipate needing solar especially where we will have the generator if needed.
--Lagun Tables.  Sure like the Lagun tables.  I opted for the cabinet set behind the passenger seat primarily to get the fold-up table for a computer work space--before I found out about the Lagun tables.  I now have both, and there's no comparison (in my opinion) regarding usability and versatility.  I still like the cabinets actually--there is several discreet storage spaces there that I will use, and I didn't need the Eurochair they replaced, but I am using the Lagun tables for all of my sit-down work. Lagun: Yes. I keep flip flopping on the cabinet / eurochair debate. Tempted to order both. 2frazzled did this and seems happy with it.  We anticipate occasionally traveling with my 2 grandchildren so would like to have 4 seats available but the cabinet seems like a good idea especially with the flip up table. I'll let my better half make this decision.
--SeeLevel Gauges.  So far I like the SeeLevels; they give me exact % read-out on water, gray, black, propane, and battery; I can see the levels change a percent at a time.  Time will tell about reliability--that will be the main issue; I think they're worth the money if they hold up.
--Converter.  I was initially concerned about the converter when I assumed that Phoenix was still using the Parallax single stage unit that they had been installing in 2017.  My solution was to ask them to install the Progressive Dynamics PD4500 3-stage converter as certain others had done.  When I surfaced that issue, I found found that they had already made that change to the PD unit as their standard converter.  So far it seems to be working great with my AGM batteries. Great news, Thanks!
--Mirror w/Compass.  Didn't buy this $300+ option since you can't see behind the coach with the mirror anyway (and I have a compass heading on my Garmin GPS).  I assumed this would mean there would be no rear view mirror at all--but one is installed--just no compass heading in it.  I'm fine with that. Ok, just moved that into the NO column.
--Awning.  Believe your listing is the regular awning option for the 2552.  My build sheet from Phoenix lists only the 18-foot awning as the option for the 2552 (the 17-foot is listed as the option for the 2551).  There is the second option for the wind sensor and remote control. ok, didn't realize an awning was an option. And thought the standard was 17'. Thought maybe the 18' listed on the pricing tool was some kind of longer, upgraded option. So I have to pay that option if i want any awning?
--Mobile Eye.  Both Mobile Eye 5 and 6 series units do offer lane departure warning.  I didn't opt for this option up front, since it's something else that can be added on relatively easily if desired.  I do have to say that when first piloting the E-450, I was transported back a few years technology-wise.  I guess I had gotten used to built-in blind-spot notifications, lane departure, automatic braking, memory seat settings, even multiple cockpit USB connections--all of which were on my last couple of vehicles and none of which were on my new E-450.  It was kind of like climbing into the 2005 (or so) vehicle that it really is.  It's very capable and adequate, of course, but you''ll notice the difference.  Fortunately the aftermarket stuff available (like Mobile Eye), will let one incorporate just about any capability that they really want to add. I think I will hold off on this as well. The thing I want the most of those features is probably blind spot notifications and it looks like that can be added fairly inexpensively.

There's quite a few other personal-preference items I could comment on, but because they fall in that category you're really the only one that can decide how important they may be to you.  I'd certainly try to address anything you had a specific question on, however. Thanks again for your help Mike.


All the best,       Mike     
     
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 13, 2019, 09:02:45 pm
Jim,

A quick scan of your list brings up something I had always wondered.

I am very protective of our roof.  My motto is: The fewer holes in the roof, the better.  I always wondered if it would be smarter to put in a Fantastic fan or better in a rear PC bathroom, and delete the one just forward of it.  This way you draw all heat and odors rearward and out for improved "flow-thru" ventilation.  It would also prevent bathroom odors from getting into the other areas of the house.  But don't take my thoughts as gospel.  Draw out opinions from the rest of the PC family.

Ron: I agree with your thinking about the rearward air flow and am likely to get an upgraded fan in the bathroom for just that reason. Especially because a fan right over my head might be an issue for me when trying to sleep.
But my current plan is to have three fans just to keep my options open. My main reason for considering the idea of the MaxxAir fans is again noise.I would prefer to run multiple fans on the lowest speeds than one on high. My understanding is the 10 speed MaxxAirs are very quiet on low.
Well, your 2552 is notably longer than our 2350, and unlike our 2007 slide-open windows, the current-day jalousie windows don't provide but very little natural air flow.  It requires a little encouragement from fans, so I understand all the discussion and focus on fans.  So be sure to take into consideration that my comments are from an owner of a 2350 2007 model year with slide-open windows that open to about 40% of the over-all window.

Gotcha, Thanks Ron. Really appreciate your input.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Ron Dittmer on March 13, 2019, 09:13:34 pm
Mike: Yet again I am impressed and very appreciative of your well thought out and detailed response.
My comments added below.

OK Jim,

--Mirror w/Compass.  Didn't buy this $300+ option since you can't see behind the coach with the mirror anyway (and I have a compass heading on my Garmin GPS).  I assumed this would mean there would be no rear view mirror at all--but one is installed--just no compass heading in it.  I'm fine with that. Ok, just moved that into the NO column.
About the compass and outside temperature center mirror.  For years I thought I made a mistake by not getting that option.  That was until I took down the generic center mirror and installed the rear view monitor in it's place.  This was one of my better ideas.  For our older 2007 chassis, the Scan Gauge-II is handy.  You can see it sitting on top of the monitor.  We are both very pleased in how it well it has been working for us.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8228/8463546500_4ee91cd3bb.jpg)
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 13, 2019, 09:17:38 pm
Interesting Mike.

More thoughts on Jim's list.
- Not sure if you deleting the slide out or modifying the configuration within the slide out. Not deleting the slide. Based on the online pricing tool, the 2552 comes standard with slide and dinette. so I selected the option to change the dinette to the sofa and pantry. This is actually a price reduction option.
- 6V AGM batteries are $500 above and beyond conventional 6V batteries?  At that price it seems no credit was given to the conventional batteries.  I would opt for conventional technology, get whatever years you can from them, then replace them with Duracal AGM 6V batteries from Costco for $350 for the pair.  That is a $350 savings.  Spend the $350 on something else for your PC.
- What shades come if not getting Magna shades?  I thought Magna was standard. I believe Magna Shade (not MCD) is an option that provides a cover on the outside of the windshield and side windows that is held on by magnets. Don't think I'll need them but if I do they are available directly from the Magna Shade company and look fairly easy to install.
- Water accumulator tank.  I installed a Home Depot 2 gallon tank and love it, love, it, love it.  I highly recommend the stainless 2 gallon tank version with feet.  Spend some of the $350 battery savings on that one. I Will!  2o2
- Thicker marine plywood, most certainly.  It seems a lot though, but would still get it.  I wonder why they went thinner? That price was just my guess and now that you mention it it does seem very high.
- Get the biggest awning you can.  Bigger is better.
- Ask about fabric-matching upholstered zippered mattress covers making them look more like couch cushions instead of mattresses. Interesting, I'll talk to Marge about this. Thanks
Here is ours that matches the material on the dinette.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1783/43100925192_1260575e47_z.jpg)
- This one bothered me (and still does) with our 2007 PC.  Our bedroom curtains and headboard do not match our living area.  I would ask so you know what to expect.  CLICK HERE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/37432012@N08/albums/72157617468317295/with/43100925192/) and go through my interior pictures and notice the differences.  I don't know what Phoenix was thinking.  I would have loved to have our PC finished the same throughout.  It's not so big to be decorating rooms differently.  I feel it's like having the family sedan with mismatched front and back seats. Thanks for mentioning this. We will certainly take a closer look and clarify with PC.

Here is the 2 gallon accumulator tank I like.  It actually holds 0.7 gallons of water.  The rest is compressed air for water pressure.  They used to be found much cheaper.  The lowest I found just now is HERE (https://www.altestore.com/store/solar-water-pumps/surface-solar-pumps/shurflo-surface-pumps/accessories-for-shurflo-pumps/shurflo-2-gal-ss-pre-charged-pressure-tank-p4302/) for $139.  If the compartment in your PC for it has "height" mount the pump on top of it which would have been ideal for our PC.
(https://newcontent.westmarine.com/content/images/catalog/large/492739.jpg)

Here is the "Home Depot equivalent" accumulator I installed in 2008.  It has never given us trouble, only nice consistent water pressure, good pump cycling, and quiet pump operation.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3630/3507693131_74b69ef2f2_z.jpg?zz=1)

Here it is shrouded for protection against stuff being in the outdoor compartment under our rear corner double bed.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3350/3507693091_85041ecbd7_z.jpg?zz=1)

Appreciate all the details and pics Ron. This forum is making PC shopping a lot of fun. Now I've just got to pry open my wallet and order one!  tymote
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 13, 2019, 09:22:10 pm
Mike: Yet again I am impressed and very appreciative of your well thought out and detailed response.
My comments added below.

OK Jim,

--Mirror w/Compass.  Didn't buy this $300+ option since you can't see behind the coach with the mirror anyway (and I have a compass heading on my Garmin GPS).  I assumed this would mean there would be no rear view mirror at all--but one is installed--just no compass heading in it.  I'm fine with that. Ok, just moved that into the NO column.
About the compass and outside temperature center mirror.  For years I thought I made a mistake by not getting it.  That was until I took down the generic center mirror and installed the rear view monitor in it's place.  This was one of my better ideas.  For our older 2007 chassis, the Scan Gauge-II is handy.  You can see it sitting on top of the monitor.  We are both very pleased in how it well it has been working for us.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8228/8463546500_4ee91cd3bb.jpg)
That looks like a nice setup. What rear view monitor is that? The buttons on the side make me think it might be a multi input. If so, have you connected anything besides the rear view camera to it?
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Ron Dittmer on March 13, 2019, 09:30:01 pm
Yes it is a monitor that could do more, but doing enough already.  The brand is one I never heard of before and it escapes me at the moment.  It is a small 5" size.  All I can say is that it works.

The back-up monitor system used to have sound but that feature stopped working maybe 6 or 7 years ago.  It was real nice to hear my wife give me verbal instruction when backing up, especially in the dark.  I tried numerous times to talk with Kermit and the manufacture of the system to figure out where the mic was located thinking maybe a spider plugged the hole, but I never heard back from anyone, nor ever found the mic on the unit in-back.  The sound up front on the monitor works because when I raise the volume, I still hear the normal "hisss" as it gets louder and louder.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: mikeh on March 14, 2019, 12:13:58 pm

--Backup Monitor.  Phoenix spec sheet said it was a "Sony Monitor".  Unit installed in mine turned out to be a Boyo 7-inch monitor manufactured by Vision Tech America.  Seems to be OK; yes, it can be run continuously. I took a look at the Boyo on Crutchfield and they look like a quality unit. Does yours have multi-input capability?

--Awning.  Believe your listing is the regular awning option for the 2552.  My build sheet from Phoenix lists only the 18-foot awning as the option for the 2552 (the 17-foot is listed as the option for the 2551).  There is the second option for the wind sensor and remote control. ok, didn't realize an awning was an option. And thought the standard was 17'. Thought maybe the 18' listed on the pricing tool was some kind of longer, upgraded option. So I have to pay that option if i want any awning?
     

Jim, I believe I owe you answers on the above two questions:

--The rear-view  monitor that Phoenix installed is the Boyo model VTM7000S.  It has the primary rear camera connection, and connectors for two additional video sources.  The video source is selectable by a button on the screen or by the included remote.  Can't find identification on the rear camera, but it looks just like the current Boyo VTB301C, except it apparently includes a microphone.

--Regarding the awning, you are correct.  There isn't a "standard" awning on the PC's; each model has an optional awning, the length which is determined by the length of the coach.  On the 2552, that's an 18-foot unit.

Hope you're making progress on your specifications,                Mike
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on March 17, 2019, 07:42:48 pm
Hello Folks: Been dreaming about a new PC again and working my spreadsheet for option decisions.
There are several items that I realized I just don't know what they cost or if some of them are worth considering.
Here is the short list of items I am still up in the air about. If you know about their approximate cost and don't mind sharing, that would be great.
If you have opinions about their worth or practicality that would be appreciated too.
Hope you don't mind me asking all these questions, fact is we are still a bit away from calling PC and pulling the trigger and this is just my way of making it real  :beg

Upgrade to Maxx air 00-07000K                                        Will most likely do, wondering on cost
Advanced AC upgrade                                                       Will probably do at least one, maybe 2 depending on cost
Alcoa wheel option                                                             Like the look, wondering cost and maintenance requirements
Upgrade refrigerator to 12v compressor                            Thought I wanted this but not sure why
Auto Gen start                                                                    Do not need now, but if reasonable might consider for a future pet
Truma combi HW Comfort plus                                          Never ran out of HW w/ 6 gal DSI but this sounds cool $$$?
Central vacuum                                                                  Wife would like it if they work like home.
6" longer option cost and benefit                                        Would love the 6" longer DS bed and extra counter space $$$?
Safe-T-Plus stabilizer                                                         Thought this was standard but can't find it on PC site.
Lagun swivel tables                                                            Want these, just curious on cost and credit for std table

Best regards, Jim Godfrey
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: TzrNPeg on March 17, 2019, 08:45:02 pm
Jim, I have the MaxAir vents and the auto gen start, but my invoice isn't itemized with prices.  Looks like I can't help you.

Peg
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: mikeh on March 17, 2019, 09:14:37 pm
Jim,

I do have a couple of these options listed on my option build-out sheet for my unit, which I didn't spec but which should still be the current MSRP prices:
--Central Vacuum System = $450
--Auto Gen Start = $378
--Safe-T-Plus Stabilizer + $833  (not standard--it's an option)

Although I did get the Lagun Tables and the Maxx Air 7000K vent fans, they were installed by change order after my original order sheet was completed, and I don't have those costs itemized in my final invoice.  What I can tell you is that the change orders consisted of four items, and that all four totaled $913 (discount price) over my original build price.  In addition to the Lagun Tables and the Maxx Air 7000K substitutions, I had Phoenix install a weBoost Drive 4G-X RV cell phone signal booster, and a Mobilevision MV100 WIFI Extender-Booster.  They didn't provide those units--I did--but they did the roof-mount and interior installation on both.  So the $913 covered the tables (by the way, kept the standard table--didn't think about getting credit for it), the vent fan upgrades, and the installation of the two electronic systems.  I think that's about as much as I can assist with from your list.

All the best,          Mike
 
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Ron Dittmer on March 18, 2019, 12:32:08 am

Alcoa wheel option                                                             Like the look, wondering cost and maintenance requirements
Upgrade refrigerator to 12v compressor                            Thought I wanted this but not sure why
Best regards, Jim Godfrey
I am considering the Alcoa DuraBright wheels, but our rig is pampered so the wheels will also be pampered.  I would not consider them if exposing the wheels to salt.

I would consider the fridge #3 12V option ONLY if I had a diesel.  All PC diesels will be equipped a propane generator.  If you run out of propane, the 12V would be a viable back up.  But the basic fridge running off propane and 110V has been serving us very well without incident.  Remember that running off propane, you still need a small amount of 12V for the electronic controls.  We don't have the #3 12V fridge feature so I cannot speak from experience, but I understand the fridge works least efficiently on it.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: biglegmax on March 18, 2019, 11:19:57 am
There is more to #3. If you have an absorption  fridge in your slide out it will most likely not work very well once outside temps hit the 80's. There has been lots written on this subject check it out. Some say added fans will cure the problem. PC, appears to bury their heads and blame it on Norcold, I think its a poor installation . I have the slide/absorption combo, after monitoring temps the first year I actually would call the temp variations dangerous. Depends on how you use your fridge, I personally want it to work correctly, its something I depend on 24/7. I installed the external fans this winter and have not had a chance to get into hotter weather yet, to test. This is a last resort and I have probably thrown more money down a rat hole.   If I were to do it all again I would never order an absorption fridge, slide or not, WHY? Marine grade compressor, 12v/110 are a far superior quality, more interior space, hardy any amp draw. I don't know the prices but I assume less than a $500 upgrade.
Of all the upgrades you have mentioned, this one should be at the top of your list, just my thoughts anyway.... good luck.
Doug
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: IowaRVers on March 30, 2019, 04:15:42 pm
Is a propane oven an option, or has anyone installed one post-factory? We like to camp in no-generator National Forest campgrounds ( we enjoy the quiet of nature, not the noise of crowded campgrounds where in the absence of electrical hook-ups, folks run generators most of the day and night).
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Ron Dittmer on March 30, 2019, 07:40:31 pm
Is a propane oven an option, or has anyone installed one post-factory? We like to camp in no-generator National Forest campgrounds ( we enjoy the quiet of nature, not the noise of crowded campgrounds where in the absence of electrical hook-ups, folks run generators most of the day and night).
Phoenix will do just about anything you request.  But as for a propane oven, I think you would be much better off having Phoenix install an outside-access propane line on the passenger side and use an outdoor oven or grill on a picnic table.  For most PC floor plans, a typical RV indoor stovetop/oven unit installed where the PC stove-top goes would sacrifice all your crucial kitchen drawers.  Galley storage in PCs is in short supply already of which I later addressed the deficiency myself.
 CLICK HERE (http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,1751.0.html) to see the project.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: ragoodsp on March 31, 2019, 02:29:33 pm
Jim:  there is no doubt the insulated windows are well worth the money.  I have had the surround sound system and could go either way!
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Ron Dittmer on April 15, 2019, 10:30:21 pm
Oh, oh, oh, I forgot one thing.

If your black tank is the bigger of the two waste tanks, request duplicate waste valve switches be mounted inside your PC.

I will be adding duplicate waste tank switches located inside our bathroom sink base cabinet so I can flood the larger black tank with bath water from the smaller gray tank to maximize the waste tanks between dumps.  The gray tank always fills up at the worst opportune time, when taking a shower.  Having duplicate switches located inside will save me from running outside half dressed after my shower, while Irene is taking her shower.  Otherwise the shower pan fills up with water for her.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Volkemon on April 16, 2019, 04:09:36 am
Oh, oh, oh, I forgot one thing.

If your black tank is the bigger of the two waste tanks, request duplicate waste valve switches be mounted inside your PC.

I will be adding duplicate waste tank switches located inside our bathroom sink base cabinet so I can flood the larger black tank with bath water from the smaller gray tank to maximize the waste tanks between dumps.  The gray tank always fills up at the worst opportune time, when taking a shower.  Having duplicate switches located inside will save me from running outside half dressed after my shower, while Irene is taking her shower.  Otherwise the shower pan fills up with water for her.

 roflol Indeed!    I was in the same exact situation this last festy. Was leaving the valves closed to fill the tanks for a good 'dump' flow....and had to go out and open them while Mrs V stood in water... Switches are going to be added.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: 2 Lucky on April 20, 2019, 08:41:55 am
Is a propane oven an option, or has anyone installed one post-factory? We like to camp in no-generator National Forest campgrounds ( we enjoy the quiet of nature, not the noise of crowded campgrounds where in the absence of electrical hook-ups, folks run generators most of the day and night).

Coleman makes a folding stove top oven that works well. We carry a small Coleman propane camp stove for cooking outside (fish and bacon especially) and the oven works on it also.   https://www.google.com/search?q=coleman+folding+oven&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS749US749&oq=coleman+folding+&aqs=chrome.5.0j69i57j0l4.9632j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


I also wish we had a second water pump switch in the bathroom and I will put one in someday.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on May 12, 2019, 05:48:32 pm
Hi Folks: Finally getting close to pulling the trigger on a new 2552!
We have plans to travel to Elkhart the end of this month to work out the details with Mike Peterson.
Kind of nervous, VERY excited.
Few quick questions come to mind as I stew over which options I will settle on:
-   Those with the Lagun tables, are you still as happy with them now that you have spent time with them?
Do they remove easily and have you found any place in the unit to store them when not in use?
-   What experience with compressor refrigerators? Hoping to learn brands and models used? Are you Satisfied?
-   Anybody gotten an Advanced RV A/C installed by Phoenix yet?

Regards, Jim G.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: hutch42 on May 12, 2019, 06:10:10 pm
-   What experience with compressor refrigerators? Hoping to learn brands and models used? Are you Satisfied?

Jim I have had two Nova Kool compressor fridges. Both were both AC/DC. The last one ran for 12 years almost 24/7 with not a hitch.  I believe J Trax on this site from Oregon had one installed.

Hutch

Go Bruins....we are expats from the hub area.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: mikeh on May 12, 2019, 08:29:52 pm
Hi Folks: Finally getting close to pulling the trigger on a new 2552!
We have plans to travel to Elkhart the end of this month to work out the details with Mike Peterson.
Kind of nervous, VERY excited

Congratulations Jim!  I know it's been a long road, but you're closing in on the destination!

The only item I can comment on is the Lagun tables--but you already know my opinion on them, and it hasn't changed.  Obviously, virtually everything in the interior of the coach is subject to individual needs and usage.  You can find folks that like, don't like, or have changed almost every component in a Phoenix Cruiser, so I'm sure those tables are ideal for some folks and would be virtually useless to others.  From my perspective though, they really add a lot of versatility to the 2552.  The tables do remove about as easily as would be possible for any table fixed in the coach.  A twist of a lever allows the table and horizontal arm to be removed from the post.  A twist of another lever allows the vertical post to be removed from the mount.  Since I have had my coach, my tables have remained in place, so I have not had occasion to think about a place to store them.  They could probably go in the rear closet, similar to where the standard table stores,but they would occupy some room.

I am confident that when you visit Elkhart at the end of month, you will have the opportunity to examine both the tables and the layout, and make some judgements for yourself.  That will do more than anything to answer those questions for you.  Looking forward to the report on your visit!

All the best,       Mike 
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Ron Dittmer on May 13, 2019, 12:32:20 pm
You can find folks that like, don't like, or have changed almost every component in a Phoenix Cruiser.....
Mike, you are so right about that.  What is ideal for one can be just the opposite for another.  When it comes to "customizing ideas" as well as selecting options, some need to be thought through carefully when requesting the factory to make such changes.  Some shared ideas can be a straight forward no-brainer improvement....just get it so.  But other ideas can be debatable, often addressing a unique need that would not apply to every owner.

The most popular debate I can think of is the one concerning the optional living room slide out.   Do you get a slide out with an extremely comfortable reclining sofa that converts into a bed for two people?  Or do you save the $6000 MSRP and get the no-slide large but less comfortable dinette that converts into a bed for one person which provides significant additional interior storage?
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on May 13, 2019, 07:47:46 pm
Mike: Glad to hear the tables break down easily as we do like them but can picture a scenario when they might seem in the way.
Did you have the pantry door cut to allow the top section to open when tables are in use? If so do you think the tables would fit in that bottom section?
Agreed to each their own regarding options but this forum has been invaluable helping me sort through them all, many I would never have heard about.
Ron: Luckily the slide question is an easy one for us. We both need that extra space to feel comfortable and the recliner sofa will be needed when the Grandkids come along.
Mike: regarding the slide option credit we discussed earlier, current answer after a bit of confusion with Mike and Barry, seems to be the change stands. I'll try again when I see them in a couple of weeks.

All: I got a quote from Mike that is close to what I want to order. It had like 4 pages of available options, some I had not heard about before.
Here are a few I am wondering about the practicality and quality of:
Single lever faucet. What is standard?
Double electric step. I assume the 2552 comes standard with the Kwikee single step. Based on your experience and the height of the unit would a double step be helpful?
Roof vent in Front. This is a separate thing from the add 2nd fan in living room. Any ideas what it is?
Removable rod in shower with backer. Useful?
Inverter upgrade to 200W pure sine. Is the standard 1800 pure sine? Anyone know the cost of this option?
Trimetric Battery monitor. Wondering cost and if needed since not adding solar at this time.

Also, FYI Barry says any units ordered now will be built on 2020 Ford chassis.
The chassis have been ordered with some new options:
Limited slip differential SFX-Ford option
Info Center in dash
225A alternator

Ok, last question for now. How many of you have and use the Magna shades. Like-em?

Thanks for all your help!
Jim G.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: 2 Frazzled on May 13, 2019, 09:06:37 pm
Magneshades - have had for six years. Love them. Don't use for one nighters but they are up most every other time. If it is brighter outside than in, people cannot see in but you can see out fine. We have also left truck windows open a few times when shades are on and we are home to get more air circulation - persistent bugs can still get in and we lock up before leaving the rig. They also block a lot of heat from the sun.

Pure syne wave inverter - We were told no when I wanted to upgrade ours last service visit. They were having trouble with them draining the batteries. We posted long ago that we almost killed our phones charging on the inverter outlets with the standard inverter. Devices with large "wall wart" converters attached (like our laptop) were fine but our phones were not. So we had 12v USB outlets installed over each bed and on each wing wall instead. We love having them and use them constantly for our devices. I hate the little ALWAYS ON LED light they each have and attacked them with black electrical tape. They were bright enough I could walk the rig and find things without turning on other lights - Not conducive to sleeping. If they have found a pure syne wave inverter that doesn't cause other problems, I'd get it.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: mikeh on May 13, 2019, 10:16:04 pm
Jim,

I've got several comments on your last message, so I'll try to just get them in under it instead of listing quotes.

1. Yes, I have the double pantry doors--I think Phoenix is doing that as standard with the Lagun option.  My top door clears the table and accesses the two top pantry drawers.  I left the drawer in my bottom section, but you can eliminate that and just have a storage cabinet behind that bottom door.  My tables would not fit in my bottom section, but I think they could be made to fit because Phoenix can adjust the tabletop dimensions to your specifications.  My tops are 18 inches wide and my bottom pantry section is only 16 inches high, but it would accommodate tabletops that were two inches narrower.  The interior of the pantry cabinet is 8 inches wide, and the tabletop attached to the mounting arm is approximately 4 inches high overall--I think there may very well be a way to stack the two tabletops so that the pantry would accept them.  Right now the length of my top and arm is about two inches longer than the pantry depth--so again the top length would have to be shortened and/or the top relocated on the arm to reduce overall length by two inches.  Bottom line, there would need to be some careful calculation, but the dimensions are close enough that I think it could be made to work.

2.  I would press Phoenix pretty hard on that slide option issue.  The price increase doesn't seem to make complete sense on it's face.  For years the sofa slide was some $1400 less expensive than the dinette, and suddenly overnight it balloons $4000 to a $2400+ premium.  That's not an incremental increase due to inflating costs.  Phoenix determines their prices, of course, and there may be some logical explanation, but if there is they should be able to explain it.  I don't think it's an unreasonable question in any case.

3.  Some of the options you are referencing were not on the option sheet I was working with last fall.  Both my kitchen and bathroom faucets are single-handle, and to my knowledge that was standard since it wasn't an option on my list.  Neither was the double entry step.  I have the Kwikee single unit which works fine for my needs.  I had a question about the roof vent in front as well.  I was told that it was a separate line item that was required if one was going to get the second vent fan in living room.  I presume it covers the labor of cutting/framing a second vent hole--as opposed to the separate cost of the fan and it's installation.  Removable shower rod wasn't on my option list--so can't comment on that.  When I spec'd my unit, the standard 1800 watt inverter was not pure sine--it's a modified sine wave inverter.  The 2000 pure sine inverter was a $915 dollar option.  Based on my research, folks with the 1800 modified sine unit seemed to find it quite satisfactory for their electronics, etc, so I didn't opt for the extra $1K.  No concerns or issues so far.  The Trimetric Battery Monitor was a steal at the $45 option cost.  The amount of information it provides regarding your coach battery bank is impressive--voltage, amps going in, amps going out, percent of charge.  Even without solar you'll know a lot more about the status of your battery system than with the indicator lights.

4.  I am envious of the standard upgrades you list for the 2020 Ford chassis.  The limited slip and big alternator were listed as options on my build sheet, but the only way to get them was to special order a chassis from Ford for my build rather than using one of the standard chassis that Phoenix keeps on hand.  That would have added about four months to my build time, so I reluctantly decided to forgo both of those features which I would very much have liked to have.  I would also liked to have the "info center"--depending on exactly what that is.  I'm not sure whether they are referring to the Ford Sync unit--which the Ford website listed as an option for the E-350 and 450 units, but which was not even a special order option that Phoenix had on my option list.  Any technology updates that can be secured for the E-series chassis would be very welcome--they are very safe and capable units that perform well in RV service, but they're pretty much stone-age as far as technology goes.

5.  I do have the Magna-shades but haven't had occasion to use them yet, so can't comment from personal experience.  I sprung for them based on a lot of favorable comments from users on several forums, and the fact that I am in a very hot area of the country.  You probably know that they are a pretty easy add-on at any point in time, and you can save a little money putting them on yourself.  Installation can be a little tricky, however, and that is the reason that I decided to just have Phoenix install them.

Keep us updated on how things proceed, and all the best--            Mike 
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jatrax on May 14, 2019, 06:18:43 pm
Quote
What experience with compressor refrigerators? Hoping to learn brands and models used? Are you Satisfied?

Jim I have had two Nova Kool compressor fridges. Both were both AC/DC. The last one ran for 12 years almost 24/7 with not a hitch.  I believe J Trax on this site from Oregon had one installed.
I requested the Nova Kool but at that time Phoenix said they did not have a relationship with them and suggested the Norcold 0061 which is similar (12v/120v compressor).  I am completely happy with mine.  Keep in mind that if you go with a compressor type you do not have the option of running the refer on propane.  I get around that with 2 solar panels for boondocking which has worked fine, and of course you have the generator if needed. 

Absorption / compressor debates abound so its a personal choice but for me the compressor unit was the clear choice.  Fast cool down (about an hour), more actual room inside, no worries about it working in hot weather.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Ron Dittmer on May 14, 2019, 07:52:36 pm
I wonder what type of default roof antenna Phoenix is installing these days.  It seems the old style crank-up & directional Winegard continues to linger.  Am I right about that?  I also wonder where Phoenix is installing the antenna as of late.  The old style Winegard we have is a lot of ugly and clanky apparatus.   I wished Phoenix installed ours into the actual roof, not the B+ cap.  I occasionally get the itch to research a cleaner design, but never come to a decision.  Various specs claim great reception, but I don't buy into it.  I'd really like a 360 degree fixed-position, low profile, long range antenna.  I'd also need a kit to deal with the mess of my existing antenna mount.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: bftownes on May 15, 2019, 07:57:34 am



Ok, last question for now. How many of you have and use the Magna shades. Like-em?

Thanks for all your help!
Jim G.

Jim, I ordered my PC with the Magna Shades.  I love them.  So much nicer and "cleaner" than those with snaps.  Easily installed in minutes.

Barry T
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: DKCruzser on May 15, 2019, 10:16:12 am
We also have them for our 2910D.  Easy to use but one must be carefully that the magnet doesn't scratch the metal.  Highly recommend them.  When we had to replace our windshield (cracked) it was easy to remove the magnets.  The company sent us new sticky backings to replace our original magnets.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on May 16, 2019, 08:47:54 pm
Okay, Magna-Shades added to the list. Keeps getting longer :'(

Thanks for the help folks!
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on May 30, 2019, 08:35:12 pm
OK, FINALLY DID IT!
Visited PC this week and after a tour of the factory we sat down and wrote up an order, and  paid the deposit.
Now the waiting begins.
We probably got carried away on options including Liquid springs and a 6" stretch.
The only thing we skimped on was electronics but now I am having second thoughts and will probably add the surround sound back in.
FYI, Mike Peterson is no longer working at Phoenix and has been replaced by Jeff Pressinell.
I guess Mike and his wife still work for Camping World but have (somewhat suddenly) moved to Florida.
Gotta admit this created some tense moments when I had planned my travel to Elkhart and all communications from Mike went dark.
I was left wondering if they would be expecting me. It was a couple of days and several calls to the factory before Jeff reached out to me.
Once I  talked to Jeff my concerns were put to rest.
The factory tour went well, there were about 8 units under construction and I got to chat with a few of the employees.
Gained a sense of confidence that they are still quality coach builders.
One huge bonus for us is that by chance, while we were there some folks were picking up a beautiful 3100 with a great looking custom paint job.
My wife and I had been discussing some color changes but neither of us had the confidence to make changes because once it is painted you have got to live with it.
We loved their 3100 color combination so much we included it in our order. A big Thank You to those folks!
I'd like to also thank MikeH, Ron and all the others that replied in this thread and helped me decide what my new PC will look like when built.
Here's the list of what was ordered so far:

2552 Phoenix Cruiser
Premium Convenience Package
Liquid Springs
Automatic Leveling Jacks
Limited SlipDiff SFX-Ford option
Info Center in Dash 68B Ford option
225A Alternator
Awning 18'
Awning Auto Remote w/ Wind sensor
Full Body Paint, Nightscape w/ burgundy to replace light grey
Slide out Sofa w/ Pantry
Spare tire option
Taller skylight
Dual pane windows
Cherry Cabinets
Adjustable Shelves x3
Cabinet behind passenger seat
Corian ILO wood counter ext.
Waterproof flooring Cherry
Bedspreads x2
Power bed PS only
6 way Power drivers seat
Sofa Leather
Back Up Monitor camera without GPS option
Dual air conditioners w/ 50amp
Auto Gen start
Porch Light
Surge Protection, progressive power protection
AGM batteries
Docking Light in rear
Hand Sprayer @ Toilet
Removable rod in shower
single lever faucet in bath
taller toilet
heat and insulate sanicon
sliding shower head
Seelevel tank guages.
Magna Shade
Gas grill hookup on passenger side
Safe-T-Plus stabilizer
burgundy paint upgrade
Upgrade to Maxx air 00-07000K, 3 locations
Lagun side tables on couch.
Cabinet doors to under bed on DS
Norcold Compressor fridge
hitch upgrade to 7000lb
Extend coach 6" to make DS bed 74" and kitchen counter and cabinets wider
Advanced AC upgrade x2
2" lip around shelf over toilet
On the Advanced AC upgrade I will be purchasing the AC's from Advanced RV and PC will install. A modest credit was given for the standard A/C's.
Mike, I wasn't able to get anywhere with them on the slide w/sofa pricing issue. They say that's just the way it is. Wouldn't acknowledge it was ever different. Just said prices change.

All in all a very positive experience except a 3 hour delay on our flight home.  :)(:

Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Joseph on May 30, 2019, 08:41:39 pm
Ron, the Diesel will have a propane gen? I canít think of one good reason for it to be propane over Diesel.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: mikeh on May 30, 2019, 11:32:52 pm
Jim,

Super news!!  I know how hard you worked on this project.  Has to be a relief to finally get it locked in.  That sounds like a fabulous set of options that will make a beautiful rig.  All the homework you invested has paid off!

Hate to hear about the sofa/slide pricing--prices do change, but that is a baffling one on the surface.  Even so, once you take them to the mat, and find out it's reality, can't let unpleasant details derail the whole effort.  Again, congratulations on the order.  Now comes the waiting, but as tedious as that is, I think it's easier than all the months of blood, sweat, and tears that goes into trying to get the build just right.

All the best,         Mike
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: bftownes on May 31, 2019, 05:44:18 am
Jim,
It was nice talking to you in the lobby at Elkhart.  Sounds like you  loaded-up your PC.   I'm confident you will be very happy.

I'm still in Elkhart and should be finished up today (Friday).  There was nothing major on my punch list, just a few small items.  Everyone has been very accommodating.

BTW, I'm OK with the stock chassis, but sometimes wish I had Liquid Springs.  They can always be added later.

Cheers  :)(:

Barry T
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Volkemon on May 31, 2019, 06:19:49 am
FWIW,  I am going to be installing a 2-step entry step on ours. I am 6 foot, but Mrs V is closer to 5 foot tall. We have to use a small step between the stock camper step and the ground, otherwise she tends to land hard and hurt her legs. 'Hyperextending'  is what the docs said it was, and its from having the step too far from the ground.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Sarz272000 on May 31, 2019, 07:23:04 am
OK, FINALLY DID IT!
Visited PC this week and after a tour of the factory we sat down and wrote up an order, and  paid the deposit.
Now the waiting begins.
We probably got carried away on options including Liquid springs and a 6" stretch.
The only thing we skimped on was electronics but now I am having second thoughts and will probably add the surround sound back in.
FYI, Mike Peterson is no longer working at Phoenix and has been replaced by Jeff Pressinell.
I guess Mike and his wife still work for Camping World but have (somewhat suddenly) moved to Florida.
Gotta admit this created some tense moments when I had planned my travel to Elkhart and all communications from Mike went dark.
I was left wondering if they would be expecting me. It was a couple of days and several calls to the factory before Jeff reached out to me.
Once I  talked to Jeff my concerns were put to rest.
The factory tour went well, there were about 8 units under construction and I got to chat with a few of the employees.
Gained a sense of confidence that they are still quality coach builders.
One huge bonus for us is that by chance, while we were there some folks were picking up a beautiful 3100 with a great looking custom paint job.
My wife and I had been discussing some color changes but neither of us had the confidence to make changes because once it is painted you have got to live with it.
We loved their 3100 color combination so much we included it in our order. A big Thank You to those folks!
I'd like to also thank MikeH, Ron and all the others that replied in this thread and helped me decide what my new PC will look like when built.
Here's the list of what was ordered so far:

2552 Phoenix Cruiser
Premium Convenience Package
Liquid Springs
Automatic Leveling Jacks
Limited SlipDiff SFX-Ford option
Info Center in Dash 68B Ford option
225A Alternator
Awning 18'
Awning Auto Remote w/ Wind sensor
Full Body Paint, Nightscape w/ burgundy to replace light grey
Slide out Sofa w/ Pantry
Spare tire option
Taller skylight
Dual pane windows
Cherry Cabinets
Adjustable Shelves x3
Cabinet behind passenger seat
Corian ILO wood counter ext.
Waterproof flooring Cherry
Bedspreads x2
Power bed PS only
6 way Power drivers seat
Sofa Leather
Back Up Monitor camera without GPS option
Dual air conditioners w/ 50amp
Auto Gen start
Porch Light
Surge Protection, progressive power protection
AGM batteries
Docking Light in rear
Hand Sprayer @ Toilet
Removable rod in shower
single lever faucet in bath
taller toilet
heat and insulate sanicon
sliding shower head
Seelevel tank guages.
Magna Shade
Gas grill hookup on passenger side
Safe-T-Plus stabilizer
burgundy paint upgrade
Upgrade to Maxx air 00-07000K, 3 locations
Lagun side tables on couch.
Cabinet doors to under bed on DS
Norcold Compressor fridge
hitch upgrade to 7000lb
Extend coach 6" to make DS bed 74" and kitchen counter and cabinets wider
Advanced AC upgrade x2
2" lip around shelf over toilet
On the Advanced AC upgrade I will be purchasing the AC's from Advanced RV and PC will install. A modest credit was given for the standard A/C's.
Mike, I wasn't able to get anywhere with them on the slide w/sofa pricing issue. They say that's just the way it is. Wouldn't acknowledge it was ever different. Just said prices change.

All in all a very positive experience except a 3 hour delay on our flight home.  :)(:



Welcome to PC Jim!
WOW! That options list is quite fine! That will be a mighty fine unit! The color scheme sounds awesome.

Ron S
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on May 31, 2019, 08:04:18 am
Thanks guys, we are super excited.
Volkemon: We talked to them about that option and specifically tried the steps on a couple of units.
They said they generally suggest that option for 4WD units.
The units we tried seemed about right with one step and my wife commented that there didn't look like there would be room for another step however we were on level ground resting on the tires.
I can picture on a sloped site, with the front of the vehicle raised  to level, the distance to the step might increase.
Does your 2350 have a step well inside the door like the 2552? Maybe there is some height difference between the two models?
Think I am willing to take a chance on that for now but appreciate the suggestion and wish you good luck on your install.

Barry: It was good talking with you Wednesday and I appreciate your words of encouragement about Liquid Springs. As you can guess that was a difficult decision based on the high cost of that option.
Really the deciding factor on that and the safe-T-steer is I am trying to make it as safe and easy to drive as possible so that hopefully my wife will feel comfortable driving it as she will likely be retiring before I do and I hope she will do day trips with my daughter and grandchildren.

She test drove LS in Tampa in January and felt comfortable behind the wheel.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: jim.godfrey on May 31, 2019, 07:08:58 pm
Hey folks I've learned so much in this thread I'm going try few more questions! :lol

Trying to figure out where I'll b able to store a few larger items such as grill and folding chairs.
Wondering how the space under DS bed works out. I didn't order the bed slide on that side and did add cabinet doors to make for easy access to the space for smaller items.
Wondering how easy it is to lift the top and how high it goes. With the cabinet over the foot o the bed I would think access will be limited.
Also does PC put any equipment under there that interferes with storage space?
If anybody happens to know the storage dimensions there, that would be great!

Most likely I'll end up with a receiver hitch storage solution as others have mentioned but wondering how useful the under bed storage is.

Thanks Jim G.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: donc13 on May 31, 2019, 08:33:54 pm
We found a grill that fits really well in the outside storage space.  It is a Cuisinart Grillster Portable gas grill, model CGG 059.  It was always a hassle to get the Weber Q in there.  It works pretty good.  Unfortunately, we still have to use the bagged chairs as they fit in the smaller storage area.  We saw some really nice chairs at a kids baseball game last month.  Alas, I can't covet them as there is no place to put them.

I surprise myself at how much stuff we have under the bed:  a 9 cube/minute ice maker, a toaster oven, an induction cooktop with the Magna cookware, a small crockpot, a 3 gal. water jug and other misc. items.  There is still room for a couple 12 packs of pop.  We did take out the speaker under there.  That didn't seem to change the sound much.  The shirt closet ( or in our case, the pantry) does not interfere with opening the lid.  The space is easy to access.  We have a 2551 so it will be the same size as yours.  I will try to get to our storage place tomorrow and get some measurements for you. 
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: bftownes on June 01, 2019, 07:42:12 am
We found a grill that fits really well in the outside storage space.  It is a Cuisinart Grillster Portable gas grill, model CGG 059.  It was always a hassle to get the Weber Q in there.  It works pretty good.  Unfortunately, we still have to use the bagged chairs as they fit in the smaller storage area.  We saw some really nice chairs at a kids baseball game last month.  Alas, I can't covet them as there is no place to put them.

I surprise myself at how much stuff we have under the bed:  a 9 cube/minute ice maker, a toaster oven, an induction cooktop with the Magna cookware, a small crockpot, a 3 gal. water jug and other misc. items.  There is still room for a couple 12 packs of pop.  We did take out the speaker under there.  That didn't seem to change the sound much.  The shirt closet ( or in our case, the pantry) does not interfere with opening the lid.  The space is easy to access.  We have a 2551 so it will be the same size as yours.  I will try to get to our storage place tomorrow and get some measurements for you.

I love my Weber Baby Q.  Bought it while fulltiming.  I carry it in the curb side compartment and it fits nicely.  I can't picture it in my mind now, but I removed the pins that attach the lid.  Fits nicely.  I also had a 25' gas line made so I can attach it to my propane tank, run it under the PC and attach to the grill.  Works great. 

Two sets of golf clubs pose the biggest problem. I carry them in the back of my toad.

Barry T
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: Joseph on June 01, 2019, 09:39:05 am
I carry the Weber Q as well. Stored in the outside storage compartment. The door wonít close with the bbq handle in place so I reverse the handle for storage. Only takes a minute. I keep a Phillips shorty by the bbq for set up and take down.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: donc13 on June 01, 2019, 12:34:58 pm
Jim,
The underbed storage is 66"long x 20"wide x18"deep.  However there is a carpeted box covering the wheel well.  It covers the front 45" of the bottom and is only 11" deep in that area, so you lose some depth on about two-thirds of the space.  We added a 2" foam pad over the mattress, so the mattress platform only lifts 12" on our unit

There's no question that the Weber Q is great, it just takes up a lot of room. We also took the lid off for storage.
Title: Re: Options qustions...
Post by: 2 Lucky on June 01, 2019, 01:12:46 pm
There is a lot of room under the street side bed, and the deck has lift supports so ours actually pops up almost too easily. Our 2551 has the sub-woofer there, not sure if PC still does it like that, seems a waste of space and I may remove it.

The space under the bed I noticed to stay cooler than anywhere else in the coach, so I lined the larger portion behind the wheel well with 2 layers of 1" foil faced styro insulation with a lid to match. It is kept cool by alternating frozen milk bottles to the freezer, once a day before bed. We use it for extra drinks, veggies and fruit, wine and mixers. We eat a lot of greens and there is never enough fridge space to store much bulky items.  Works great, stayed 50 even when it hit 100+ outside, off-grid no AC. Even without the cooler things stay tempered under there.

It could hold several unruly grand kids, too, when they need to "chill." Without the cooler built in, that is.
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Post by: jim.godfrey on June 01, 2019, 08:31:02 pm
Thanks guys. Especially Don for going out of your way to provide those dimensions!

Gonna measure up my Roadtrip grill in the morning but it doesn't sound promising.

Today I cleaned out my 5th wheel to prepare for its new owners.
Hard to believe how much storage that thing has compared to a 2552.

This is going to be a big adjustment but one I am so looking forward to.
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Post by: jim.godfrey on June 02, 2019, 07:11:22 pm
My Road Trip Grill inside its carrying case measured out  at: 36" long, 21" wide, 12" tall.
Not an easy fit but maybe if I remove or modify some parts in the case I might be able to get under the 20" wide.
I think there is a handle on the front of the grill I could do without.
Either way it is close enough I guess I will wait to see if I can make it fit when we get our new 2552.
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Post by: jim.godfrey on June 22, 2019, 10:07:13 pm
Has anyone ever asked about or gotten a 5500 Genset instead of the standard 4K on a PC?
Wondering if that is something they can fit  onto a 2552 so two A/Cs could be run at the same time.

It is a bit larger....

4KW: Weight: 178 lbs (80.7 kg)
Size: Length 30.0 in (762 mm), width 19.7 in
(500.4 mm), height 14.4 in (353.1 mm)

5.5KW:
Weight: 288 lbs (131 kg)
Size: Length 33.6 in (853 mm), width 22.2 in
(563 mm), height 16.7 in (425 mm)
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Post by: mikeh on June 22, 2019, 10:46:32 pm
Jim, interesting question.  Don't think I've seen ANYTHING on the forum about this, and over time I've been through pretty much all of it.

Probably would be a question for Phoenix.  Dimensions are probably the main issue.  Would be nice to have the additional output, though.

Mike
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Post by: jim.godfrey on June 22, 2019, 11:05:54 pm
I'll be talking to the factory next week about some other stuff and will ask.
Can't imagine it will fit but sure would e nice.
Wish I had thought of it while I was there.
The 5.5KW is only about $500 more than the 4KW at most online sources.
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Post by: bftownes on June 23, 2019, 09:25:59 am
Has anyone ever asked about or gotten a 5500 Genset instead of the standard 4K on a PC?
Wondering if that is something they can fit  onto a 2552 so two A/Cs could be run at the same time.

It is a bit larger....

4KW: Weight: 178 lbs (80.7 kg)
Size: Length 30.0 in (762 mm), width 19.7 in
(500.4 mm), height 14.4 in (353.1 mm)

5.5KW:
Weight: 288 lbs (131 kg)
Size: Length 33.6 in (853 mm), width 22.2 in
(563 mm), height 16.7 in (425 mm)
[/quote

Jim,  we are putting the two AC units to a real test in the central Texas heat.  We have a 3100 and are in campground with 50 amp service.  Basically, we are in the sun with a small tree that provides very little shade from the west setting sun.  We have not had to run both AC's and keep in mind that Im in a 3100.  We do have MagnaShades and I bought a windshield shade at Walmart (one of those accordion folding things...9 bucks).  In conjunction with the MagnaShades, it does an excellent job of keeping the front area from heating.   The AC's are exceeding my expectations. 

My opinion is that in cases where you can only run one AC and being in a smaller PC, you will have no problem keeping comfortable.   It is nice to have a site with 50amp service which allows you to select the AC to use.  When we are in the "living area", we run the bedroom AC and vice versa.

Cheers :)(:

Barry T
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Post by: TzrNPeg on June 23, 2019, 10:20:37 am
I've got a 2552 with one A/C and live in Florida.  I've been parked in the direct sun with no shade and I've been pleasantly surprised that the single A/C is sufficient.  I have double pane windows with dark tinting and use a sunshade over the cab windows.  I've also noticed that the outside wall in the cabinets stays relatively cool in the house area, compared to the cabinets in the cab.  There must be pretty good insulation in the house. Those cabinets in the cab need the silver insulation on the back wall. 

Peg
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Post by: mikeh on June 23, 2019, 11:20:54 am
Just got back from Florida this last week, including several days down through the Keys to Key West.  Combination of heat and high humidity down there was pretty demanding--glad to have had the capability of two A/C units (15K and 13.5K)--and used them both.  I'm sure a single unit would have pulled conditions down, but don't know if it could have maintained a really "comfortable" level during the peak periods.  As it was, we just set the T-stats on both units to 70 or so and let them cycle--kept things cool and dry inside, and we still had a significant cushion (by the frequency that the units were cycling on and off).

Mike
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Post by: jim.godfrey on June 23, 2019, 08:04:10 pm
Thanks all for the replies. I guess I won't drive myself crazy (or spend a ton of money ) trying to fit the larger gen set in.
I'd still consider it a nice to have just to keep AC options open as well as not needing to limit other loads while running one AC.
Also looking at the specs between the 4KW and 5.5KW, the larger unit has twice the displacement, lower RPM, and a few other features the smaller unit does not have.
I think maybe the 4KW is borderline adequate meaning it will be operating near its limits much of the time, whereas the 5.5KW  will not need to work too hard most of the time.
Hoping that would add to the longevity of the generator.

I sent an inquiry to PC today regarding the larger gen set, will keep you posted on their reply.

Barry: Glad to hear you made it to Texas okay. Hope you had an uneventful and enjoyable trip.
Mike: We love the Keys. Was there a few years ago when we rented an oceanfront condo with my daughter, son in law and two grand daughters. Can't wait to get back there in our PC.
Happy to hear the 2552 is working out well for you.
Peg: Thanks for chiming in. We too will be getting the double pane windows and Magna-Shades. I hope that in most cases we will only need to run one AC and plan to do as Barry mentioned, run the unit in the unoccupied space.
In extreme temps it will be good to have a second AC to help share the load and redundancy in case one unit fails.

Regards, Jim G.
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Post by: jim.godfrey on June 24, 2019, 08:06:16 pm
Heard beck from Jeff Pressinell the CI salesman at PC that the 5.5KW generator is too deep to fit and would be up against the frame. Oh well.  :'(
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Post by: mikeh on June 24, 2019, 09:36:05 pm
Jim,

Thanks for the info. Not surprised to hear that the 5.5 just won't go.  Phoenix is a fairly narrow coach comparatively, and the trade-offs have to come from somewhere.  Seems logical that they would have included it as an option if they could have shoehorned it in.

On a positive note, I've been pleasantly surprised by the performance of the Onan 4K so far, compared to some of what I'd gathered from forum review (remember I had no RV experience prior to this year).  I've got about 60 hours on my 4K now, over-nighting at rest stops and Cracker Barrels, and it's been flawless.  Punch the button--it starts; punch the button--it stops.  Very nominal and agreeable running noise (from my perspective) inside and out.  Carries the A/C and all other power needs without a blip.  You can hear it load ever so slightly when the A/C kicks on, but the engine still sounds pretty effortless.  I've run it 10-hour stretches--believe it could have been 20 or 30 just as easily.  Changed the oil at 20 hours per the book, otherwise done nothing but push buttons.

All the best,      Mike
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Post by: jim.godfrey on June 25, 2019, 07:35:06 pm
Thanks Mike, glad to hear it is working for you.
No doubt I will be equally happy with the 4KW.
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Post by: jim.godfrey on June 28, 2019, 04:55:51 pm
Hey folks wondering if any of you got a hitch upgrade when you ordered your PC recently.
I believe the standard is 5K and a 7K is available?
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Post by: bftownes on June 30, 2019, 08:53:53 am
Hey folks wondering if any of you got a hitch upgrade when you ordered your PC recently.
I believe the standard is 5K and a 7K is available?

When towing a car, there is virtually no tongue weight.  Unless you plan to tow a HugeAzz, loaded trailer, I'm of the opinion that a hitch upgrade is definitely not needed.

Cheers :)(:

Barry T
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Post by: Volkemon on June 30, 2019, 10:31:37 am
Hey folks wondering if any of you got a hitch upgrade when you ordered your PC recently.
I believe the standard is 5K and a 7K is available?

When towing a car, there is virtually no tongue weight.  Unless you plan to tow a HugeAzz, loaded trailer, I'm of the opinion that a hitch upgrade is definitely not needed.

Cheers :)(:

Barry T

The 'weight' referred to on the hitch is the total weight of the trailer (or towd) and its cargo, not the tongue weight.  Get that 4K pound Jeep behind you swerving back and forth after a quick steering input and it could be putting 7K of force on that hitch very easily as it plays 'crack the whip'.  Same with a tow dolly.  Ask RonD if the incorrect angle can affect things also..  :-D

My 'MediumAzz'  :lol tandem trailer maxes out at 5K, same as my hitch, but the tongue weight and closely spaced axles make the forces on the coach much more predictable when pushing the limit.  (Most it has weighed with the cart inside was 3900 pounds)


Seems like I am a 'safety wonk' this Sunday... could be worse.  (nod)  Go ahead and ignore me, most people do. I dont even travel with the radio on for safety.   Living here in Florida where many drivers are...um...'past their prime driving years' it must be closer to the surface of my mind. 
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Post by: Ron Dittmer on June 30, 2019, 10:38:09 am
More is better, right?

I wonder if the PC frame extension was also beefed up to accommodate the increase.  If not, 7000 pounds of thrashing could twist the house.
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Post by: jim.godfrey on June 30, 2019, 04:17:58 pm
I have not decided what I will tow for a dinghy yet so just thought as Ron said "more is better" would have to assume frame is up to the task or they wouldn't put it on there.
One of the reasons I asked if anybody has gotten one from PC is that during my visit to the factory they offered a 7K upgrade at a reasonable price but on a recent phone call with Barry he said that they farm out that work and I would need to pay the hitch shop directly. Just thought it kind of odd. I don't have to pay the frame stretch shop or Liquid Springs shop directly so am left wondering what is different about the hitch install.
Thought possibly it is to reduce PC exposure to liability on the hitch but with 7.5K lb difference between GVWR and GCWR there should be nothing controversial about a 7K hitch.
So has anybody got a 7K hitch on their PC?

Thanks and have a happy 4th of July!
Jim G.
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Post by: mikeh on June 30, 2019, 05:30:04 pm
Hi Jim,

I do not have a 7K hitch on my 2552.  Interestingly, this is not an option that was listed on my "options list" when I worked with sales to spec my unit last fall.  I did intend to tow, and like you, I tended to maximize the factory-installed capabilities I knew I would use (such as hitch rating) as long as the cost seemed reasonable--kind of a "get it right the first time" approach.  I would have almost certainly upgraded to the 7K hitch if it were among my listed options or mentioned as an option.

That said, the Class III 5K Curt unit installed standard by Phoenix appears to be a solid and capable installation, and it is doing a great job pulling my 4K 2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk.  I am completely happy with the performance over 4000 miles of towing so far, but I would still have opted for the 7K capability had it been offered.

I'm unsure what to think about Barry's comment regarding farming out the hitch work; they previously did that work in house--at least for the standard 5K hitches.  As a matter of fact that 2013 video that Earl posted titled "Phoenix Factory Tour Days 1--6" shows the hitch welded on in that first (end) bay of the Phoenix shop.  When I was through their shop last August they still had their welding bay there in the same place.  Maybe they farm out just the upgraded hitch for some reason, or maybe they have had to change their production flow to move some of the chassis prep work to other vendors to be able to manage a higher through-put with their available shop space.  Even so, you would think that something as basic as installation of a hitch option would be just rolled up by Phoenix into your price.??.

Happy 4th to you as well!             Mike

 
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Post by: jim.godfrey on June 30, 2019, 07:37:46 pm
Yes, I think he did say it was just the upgraded hitch that was outsourced.
He mentioned the Elkhart Hitch Shop is right around the corner from PC.
Still want to confirm with them that it is put on before the house is built and not an aftermarket replacement.
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Post by: 2 Frazzled on July 01, 2019, 06:19:52 am
This it's just a WAG, but maybe the upgrade requires additional certification that the Phoenix tech doesn't have thus requiring outsourcing.
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Post by: bftownes on July 01, 2019, 10:47:30 am
Hey folks wondering if any of you got a hitch upgrade when you ordered your PC recently.
I believe the standard is 5K and a 7K is available?


The 'weight' referred to on the hitch is the total weight of the trailer (or towd) and its cargo, not the tongue weight.  Get that 4K pound Jeep behind you swerving back and forth after a quick steering input and it could be putting 7K of force on that hitch very easily as it plays 'crack the whip'.  Same with a tow dolly.  Ask RonD if the incorrect angle can affect things also..  :-D

My 'MediumAzz'  :lol tandem trailer maxes out at 5K, same as my hitch, but the tongue weight and closely spaced axles make the forces on the coach much more predictable when pushing the limit.  (Most it has weighed with the cart inside was 3900 pounds)


Seems like I am a 'safety wonk' this Sunday... could be worse.  (nod)  Go ahead and ignore me, most people do. I dont even travel with the radio on for safety.   Living here in Florida where many drivers are...um...'past their prime driving years' it must be closer to the surface of my mind.

Yikes, I knew that about the hitch ratings.  I had a case of brain flatulence!  I have red-neck tendencies and assume that if there is a hitch present, you can tow anything  roflol

Barry T
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Post by: jim.godfrey on July 01, 2019, 07:42:21 pm
2 FRAZZLED, That is a very good possibility that I hadn't thought of. Thanks!
But doesn't explain why I have to deal with the vendor directly.
Seems to me that the work done extending the frame and replacing the rear suspension is much more complex and is also outsourced but I don't have to pay separately for these services.
This is not a really big deal to me but it just seems weird.
When I asked why, they just kind of talked around the answer.
I was hoping to see if anybody else had a similar experience and how it worked out.

Best regards, Jim G.
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Post by: jim.godfrey on August 06, 2019, 07:38:48 pm
Talked to the factory today and got a bit of clarification about the 7.5K lb hitch install.
Basically it is an aftermarket upgrade done by Elkhart Hitch that is done AFTER the RV is completed.
The cost of the upgrade is paid directly to Elkhart Hitch
As a courtesy, PC will drive the RV over and back for the install but it is not part of what you are buying from PC.
Still seems a little odd that this is not just a regular available option from PC but I guess it really doesn't matter.
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Post by: jim.godfrey on August 06, 2019, 07:54:27 pm
OK Big News for me today!
After waiting patiently for what seems an eternity (it really wasn't), I got word today that my build is underway.
The frame is stretched, Liquid Springs installed and its been on the line for a day or two.
Genny and Propane are in and the flooring is applied. Electrician slated to start in the next day or two.
J
eff Pressinell the sales guy from Campers Inn assigned to the PC factory took this picture for me this morning. Thanks Jeff! Keep 'em coming!

If anybody is going to be visiting the factory in the near future, I would greatly appreciate if you could send some pictures my way of the build in progress.
I'd even be willing to pay a modest sum to somebody who lives in the area willing to go to the factory a time or two for pics during the build.
 I really want to be there myself but it just isn't doable right now.
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Post by: Sarz272000 on August 06, 2019, 09:11:00 pm
Jim
Great to see your unit construction started.  There is a light at the end of the tunnel!  Our 2010 2551 is awesome. I canít believe the quality of the unit. Everything works nicely.  I wish the beds were longer but canít have everything.

We had heard about the transit a while back and nothing since.  Was the Ford transit an option when you were looking? They donít list is in the brochure.

Ron Sarzynski
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Post by: mikeh on August 06, 2019, 10:22:36 pm
Congratulations Jim, on your new "baby".

This one will grow into adulthood more quickly than most.  You'll be cruising down the road before you know it!

All the best,      Mike
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Post by: Volkemon on August 07, 2019, 03:56:40 am
AWESOME!   Congrats on the build starting. I hope you can find someone to get pics!!    (exactly)
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Post by: Ron Dittmer on August 07, 2019, 03:13:06 pm
A VERY exciting time for Jim!

I see Phoenix maintains the tradition of their galley base cabinet having 3 narrow and shallow drawers in the middle portion.  The right side has a slide out butcher block counter above two narrow drawers, all hidden behind a cabinet door.  That is what we originally had in our 2007.  The configuration dates back to 2005 or 2006.  Prior to that was an external work surface on the right side that when folded down, covered the drawers.
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Post by: jim.godfrey on August 07, 2019, 07:41:32 pm
Ron S. : We had already decided on the 2552 before we went to Elkhart so we never asked about the Transit. Sorry.
One prerequisite on this purchase was permanent beds and the 2552 is the smallest floor plan that satisfied that for us.
I toss and turn too much to allow the 2350 or 2400 to work for us.

Ron D.: We opted for a 6" stretch on this unit that should make the DS bed the same length as the PS and also make those drawers in the middle 6" wider.
I compared the pic of my unit with the pics in the 2552 section of the web site and it looks like they are somewhat wider than normal.

I sent the salesman a request to provide regular progress pics of the build so hopefully he will come through for me.
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Post by: Ron Dittmer on August 11, 2019, 10:18:16 pm
Ron D.: We opted for a 6" stretch on this unit that should make the DS bed the same length as the PS and also make those drawers in the middle 6" wider.
2o2
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Post by: jim.godfrey on August 12, 2019, 07:23:48 pm
Called the factory today to remind the sales rep to take some photos of my 2552 build in progress.
Was disappointed to find that he is no longer employed there. Tomorrow I will try to contact the third salesman so far in this purchase.
It has been a roller coaster to say the least.

SO..... If anybody is in Elkhart and would be willing to take some pictures of my build, please contact me. Willing to compensate. Thanks!
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Post by: jim.godfrey on August 13, 2019, 08:10:04 pm
New Campers Inn sales rep for PC is  Robert (Bob) White.
Very friendly and was quick to send me several build photos with promise for more.
Even called me before I had a chance to call the factory this morning.

So far this seems like  big improvement from a communications standpoint.
Fingers crossed it continues.
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Post by: jim.godfrey on August 31, 2019, 08:05:27 pm
Quick update, Looks like we are ready for paint!
Had a bit if a snafu but luckily I was able to let PC know early due to the pics that Bob White has been sending and they were able to straighten it out before the unit went to the paint shop.
I had ordered with a compressor fridge both because I had heard issues when the propane fridge is located in a slide and also because I didn't want the two big refer vents on the side of my unit.
Seems during the transition to production the compressor fridge got lost and a propane unit was installed including two big vents!
I noticed it in a picture that the salesman sent and he promised it would be corrected right away.
So far so good with Bob White!
Thanks Bob!

Ok, I give up. Can not seems to get these pictures oriented correctly.
They look right on my computer and I tried rotating a copy clockwise to make it work but they just WANT to be sideways!
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Post by: jim.godfrey on September 01, 2019, 07:45:37 pm
Hello Folks: Now that my 2552 is nearing completion, our thoughts turn to the pick up process.
When  we placed the order the salesman told us normal process was we would provide an insurance binder and they would provide a paper temporary Indiana plate.
I called our insurance agent and he told me that because we live in Massachusetts, that wouldn't work for two reasons.
First: he said a Massachusetts insurance company wouldn't provide insurance to a Massachusetts resident for an out of state registration
Second: Massachusetts does not recognize any temporary out of state registrations. A quick google seems to support his statements.

Wondering if any MA residents have experience with this.

Right now I am thinking we are going to need to go to the factory to inspect and purchase the unit and then fedex the paperwork to my agent who will register the vehicle and fedex us the plates before we can take delivery.
If all goes well it should only add a few days to the process.

Any ideas?

Thanks, Jim Godfrey
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Post by: faiello on September 02, 2019, 08:23:48 am
Hello Folks: Now that my 2552 is nearing completion, our thoughts turn to the pick up process.
When  we placed the order the salesman told us normal process was we would provide an insurance binder and they would provide a paper temporary Indiana plate.
I called our insurance agent and he told me that because we live in Massachusetts, that wouldn't work for two reasons.
First: he said a Massachusetts insurance company wouldn't provide insurance to a Massachusetts resident for an out of state registration
Second: Massachusetts does not recognize any temporary out of state registrations. A quick google seems to support his statements.

Wondering if any MA residents have experience with this.

Right now I am thinking we are going to need to go to the factory to inspect and purchase the unit and then fedex the paperwork to my agent who will register the vehicle and fedex us the plates before we can take delivery.
If all goes well it should only add a few days to the process.

Any ideas?

Thanks, Jim Godfrey

We bought our PC from Campers Inn in NH and ran into the same problem. you will need the certificate of origin (Title), RMV1 filled out with an insurance stamp on the RMV1, MA doesn't accept a binder. I know I had to go to the registry 3 times before I could get my plates. Good luck!
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Post by: bftownes on September 03, 2019, 09:30:43 pm
Hello Folks: Now that my 2552 is nearing completion, our thoughts turn to the pick up process.
When  we placed the order the salesman told us normal process was we would provide an insurance binder and they would provide a paper temporary Indiana plate.
I called our insurance agent and he told me that because we live in Massachusetts, that wouldn't work for two reasons.
First: he said a Massachusetts insurance company wouldn't provide insurance to a Massachusetts resident for an out of state registration
Second: Massachusetts does not recognize any temporary out of state registrations. A quick google seems to support his statements.

Wondering if any MA residents have experience with this.

Right now I am thinking we are going to need to go to the factory to inspect and purchase the unit and then fedex the paperwork to my agent who will register the vehicle and fedex us the plates before we can take delivery.
If all goes well it should only add a few days to the process.

Any ideas?

Thanks, Jim Godfrey

Jim,  your PC will NOT be registered in Indiana.  Also, they do not collect sales tax.  You will get a drive out tag and proof of purchase.  Then register and pay sales tax in MA.  Not sure if this helps the situation, but it sounds like there is some confusion. 

Cheers  :)(:

Barry T
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Post by: jim.godfrey on September 27, 2019, 06:53:25 pm
Getting really excited now!
Our 2552 is back from the paint shop and almost ready for pickup.
Wondering if anybody had the extra tall shower skylight option installed. You can see mine in the pic below.
Have not seen it in person but it looks terrible in this picture.
If you have one, does it add to the feeling of spaciousness inside the shower? (I am only 5'7")
Is it as noticeable from the ground as it appears in this pic?

Now we've got to figure out when we can get to PC to pick it up!

Note: The skylight is the big white dome on the far right in the picture.
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Post by: Ron Dittmer on September 27, 2019, 08:58:24 pm
Wondering if anybody had the extra tall shower skylight option installed. You can see mine in the pic below.
Have not seen it in person but it looks terrible in this picture.
If you have one, does it add to the feeling of spaciousness inside the shower? (I am only 5'7")
Is it as noticeable from the ground as it appears in this pic?
The skylight is the big white dome on the far right in the picture.
I am 5'-11".  I clear the standard shower dome when standing straight up.  But I don't stand straight up when lathering the hair on my head.  I lean over a little and it works without a thought.  The shower head is mounted lower anyway so rinsing is done bent-over.  You being 5'-7" I feel the standard dome would have been more than plenty room.

Here is a pic of our standard dome.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/2631/3743986551_b13566eded_z.jpg)

BTW: You have a very nice looking PC.  After a little while, you won't notice your dome at all.
I don't have a current picture of our PC.  It now has two white roof-top vent covers that take away from it's appearance.
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Post by: jim.godfrey on September 28, 2019, 07:39:30 am
Thank Ron! I hope my rig looks nearly as good as yours in 12 years!
Seeing as there is nothing on the top of my head to lather, I'm sure I would have been fine with the standard dome. roflol
Just thought it might make the shower feel less cramped and help if we ever want to sell to a tall guy.
Barry said it has been a popular option recently.
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Post by: mikeh on September 28, 2019, 07:57:26 am
Hi Jim, exciting times!

The new rig looks super!
I happened to be on the road in mine when I saw your message.  My tape measure shows 74.5 inches height to shower base in the center of the standard dome.  I'm currently about 5'8" (used to be taller :)) and have noticed no issues inside the shower.  The dome is pretty translucent, so it doesn't give much sense of definite height overhead.
I don't think the height of the dome will seem noticeable--especially at closer distances to the PC than your photo.  I'll actually be at Elkhart on Monday, as I'm dropping by to let them install an antenna on my unit--so I hope to be able to see your rig in person!

All the best,      Mike
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Post by: Sarz272000 on September 28, 2019, 08:06:59 am
I agree you have a fine looking coach.  I donít use the shower.  Prefer regular facilities.  At 6í2Ē it is doable with the regular dome.  However, having the extra height in the taller dome may get me to use it more.

Ron S
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Post by: jim.godfrey on September 28, 2019, 03:54:13 pm
Hi Jim, exciting times!

The new rig looks super!
I happened to be on the road in mine when I saw your message.  My tape measure shows 74.5 inches height to shower base in the center of the standard dome.  I'm currently about 5'8" (used to be taller :)) and have noticed no issues inside the shower.  The dome is pretty translucent, so it doesn't give much sense of definite height overhead.
I don't think the height of the dome will seem noticeable--especially at closer distances to the PC than your photo.  I'll actually be at Elkhart on Monday, as I'm dropping by to let them install an antenna on my unit--so I hope to be able to see your rig in person!

All the best,      Mike

Mike: If you are inclined (and allowed) I would be very happy if you could take a good close look at my rig as I really value your opinions.
The sooner any issues are uncovered the better.
We are supposed to be doing a FaceTime walk through with Bob White this week as we really want to get as many of the kinks worked out before we fly there for pickup.

Regarding the shower skylight, I am likely to not change it now unless it screams at me in real life like it does in that picture.

Safe travels, Jim G.
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Post by: mikeh on September 30, 2019, 12:35:39 pm
Jim, sent you a PM.         Mike
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Post by: jim.godfrey on October 13, 2019, 06:31:06 pm
Ok, I'm no longer just some guy who asks a lot of questions on the PC forum, I am now the proud owner of a new 2552. It is in the driveway! (cheer)
It has been a long week that started out with UPS losing the paperwork I needed to register my 2552 but ended today with my rig parked at home safe and sound and registered.
I have to say that though my rig wasn't perfect when I arrived in Elkhart on Wednesday, the folks there were awesome and addressed every issue with a genuine concern for my happiness.
It took a couple of days and a trip back to the paint shop to get everything right but in the end it was worth it and  feel I ended up with a beautiful 2552.
Even when some of my questions were admittedly absurd, Bob the salesman and Bobby from the shop were true professionals and treated us with respect and made sure we got a quality product and understood how to use it.
There were a few money questions but in the end Barry and Keith  were gentlemen and did the right thing keeping the whole process pleasant and professional.
I originally had some concerns about how Campers Inn might interfere with the buying process but they too were efficient and professional and didn't have any negative impact on the purchase at all.
Bob White and Rick Ramsay of Campers Inn got all the paperwork processed very quickly and were great to deal with.
So overall my wife and I are extremely happy with the whole buying experience and already love our new Phoenix Cruiser even though we have only slept in it for 1.5 nights.  (another story)

But me being me, I do have a couple of questions.
While driving home, I noticed an odd noise. It is a fluttering noise, but almost like when you were a kid and would clothespin a playing card on the forks of you bicycle so when it hit the spokes it made a motor noise.
Almost like a loose lifter noise.
It occurs when the motor is under no load cruising on the flat. It stops as soon as I accelerate or decellerate. I thought maybe an air pump or something.
Any clue?
Also, I did get a Check Engine light come on during the 900 mile drive home from the factory. I plugged in a scanner and see a P0300 misfire error which seems to have turned it on. I recorded the data and reset it and it did not come back.
Wondering if these two things are connnected and  seeking wisdom from the group.

Thanks, Jim Godfrey.

PS, excited that now we are eligible to join the PC Traveler Club!



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Post by: jim.godfrey on October 13, 2019, 06:39:24 pm
Proof:

Better Pictures to follow.
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Post by: Ron Dittmer on October 14, 2019, 07:41:43 am
Congratulations Jim!

One very easy thing to check for in regards to the flutter and engine code.

Open your E450 hood and disconnect the oval engine air tube where it is snapped into the plastic shroud that covers the radiator.  It is a no-tools easy process.  Just yank to pop it off.  Once disconnected, swivel it upward.  It swivels at the air filter connection.  Now look into the hole where the tube was connected.  You should NOT see a black plastic flap blocking the air flow at the opening.  If you have such a blockage, you must disconnect the radiator shroud, lift it a few inches, fold the flap 180 degrees, then set it down and reattach with the flap now out of the way.

Around 2010, Ford recalled the E-series for that inspection because a Ford line worker did not fold the flap back for a few months.  The problem can easily reoccur by an unsuspecting mechanic.  I caught myself recreating the condition on our 2007 E350 when I removed the radiator shroud to remove a dead bird in our radiator.  I noticed the condition right away and immediately corrected it before attachment.

BTW, removing the shroud didn't even help me in removing the dead bird.
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Post by: jim.godfrey on October 14, 2019, 08:16:28 am
Thanks Ron, will check that later this morning!

When I looked  under the hood yesterday, I also noticed a flat plastic piece that ran across the top  the full width of the radiator.
It is maybe about 5" wide by 3-4' long. It is attached along one edge only by a few of those plastic push fasteners.
It seemed like the unsecured edge could flap up and down and when I moved it by hand it made a similar tapping noise.
I'm going to try temporarily fastening that down to see if that does anything too.
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Post by: mikeh on October 14, 2019, 08:45:39 pm
Hi Jim,
Just had to send a quick "Congratulations!" on your successful finale to the long, fun, irritating, confusing, interesting, enjoyable, frustrating, (did I mention costly?), and--finally--tremendously satisfying process of researching, spec'ing, and delivering a new PC!!
You have a beautiful rig (I got to see it at Elkhart), and you can be justly proud as the (temporarily) newest owner of a Phoenix 2552!  I know how hard you worked to get it right, and I'm absolutely sure The Godfreys are going to enjoy it tremendously.
Keep us all advised of progress as you break it in!

All the best,      Mike