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Title: TRX
Post by: hutch42 on July 14, 2019, 11:11:35 am
Curious.  Has anyone seen or heard anything about the TRX?  Figured maybe PC is waiting for the all new upgrade 2020 Ford Transit chassis this fall.  Maybe they have put a hold on with the down turn in motorized RV (exception class B) sales the past year.

Hutch
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: CalCruiser on July 14, 2019, 05:17:25 pm
Curious about Winnebagos'  new 2350 Transit clone (Fuse 23F)

And about why Winnebago only offered an Ecoboost powered Paseo, and why that got the axe.
 
And about the updated Ford e-series with the all-new 7.3 Godzilla V8 and 10 speed transmission.

Any clues Hutch ?
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: hutch42 on July 14, 2019, 06:56:48 pm
Curious about Winnebagos'  new 2350 Transit clone (Fuse 23F)

And about why Winnebago only offered an Ecoboost powered Paseo, and why that got the axe.
 
And about the updated Ford e-series with the all-new 7.3 Godzilla V8 and 10 speed transmission.

Any clues Hutch ?


I can help a little on 2 of the 3 questions.  I have belong to the Fuse owners forum since its inception.  The Fuse has been out of production since early March.  It appears that the primary reason is to reevaluate what they are going to do with the all new 2020 Ford Transit when its available in the late fall.  Theres thought if they do anything that it may not be called a Fuse ....something different perhaps?  The other piece of the puzzle was to help reduce the glut of inventory on dealers lots.  Winnebago is down 19% in class A&C sales the first 3 qtrs of their fiscal year.  A industry wide problem due to 7 strong years of RV growth.  According to the WBGO CEO things are leveling off. 

The story on the 2350 look alike Fuse 23F.  It was introduced only last July  and has not been a big seller.  Partially because of the loss of sales in Class C, and perhaps the undersized "Corner Bed" according to Fuse Forum members.  The 23T and 2551/52 clone 23A have sold very well.  Recently this has helped new sales of the 23F because theres no more 23A's and T's on the market.  4-5 F's have sold in the last few weeks.

The Paseo.  Cant be a whole lot of help.  The rumors on the street point to a larger then normal amount of glitches with equal amount of customer complaints about them. The killer was the beds would only sleep someone less then 5'-10"...a mistake that WBGO has fessed up to.  The gas engine like the Travato could be combined with a second alternator to power the (at the time) future Lithium package.  Cant do that with a diesel engine due to the long hours of idle time.**

Sorry cant be of any help with the new V8....lots of wondering out there though.

**Better splain this one a little better.  Ford and MB say the Turbos and DEF systems dont do well idling for long periods of time due to clogging, pressure, moisture? etc.

PS...I would be in arrears if I did not mention that any glitches were strictly WBGO's or vendor equipment.  The 400+ Fuse Ford Transits chassis have performed flawlessly!
The Fuse owners have been very supportive (unlike MB chassis owners)  Easy handling, great turning radius, lots of pull and power, great mileage, and Ford dealers everywhere.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: CalCruiser on July 15, 2019, 01:21:14 pm
Interesting that Winnebago completely stopped making Transit bís and cís   (exactly)

A 2100 or 2350 with the new 7.3 Godzilla v8 and 10 speed transmission cruising along at 1200 rpm  might be capable of 14 mpg . Same GVWR and keep the generator too.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Ron Dittmer on July 15, 2019, 05:18:52 pm
A 2100 or 2350 with the new 7.3 Godzilla v8 and 10 speed transmission cruising along at 1200 rpm  might be capable of 14 mpg . Same GVWR and keep the generator too.
Our 2007 2350 with V10 and the Torqueshift trans of the that time period, not towing our Jeep Liberty, cruising at 65mph on a wind-less day got a steady 13 mpg on I-94 all day according to the Scanguage-II.  But those conditions are hard to come by.  I swear we typically deal with a head wind regardless of the direction we travel.....Murphy's Law.

I agree about the GVWR and gas generator.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: hutch42 on July 15, 2019, 08:30:15 pm
Interesting that Winnebago completely stopped making Transit bís and cís   (exactly)

A 2100 or 2350 with the new 7.3 Godzilla v8 and 10 speed transmission cruising along at 1200 rpm  might be capable of 14 mpg . Same GVWR and keep the generator too.

Not sure whats going to happen with a B Transit for WBGO.  The 2020 B+/C Fuse would have been due out in June/July.  Probably does not make sense to introduce a new model 3 months before the new 2020 Transit chassis rolls out. (verified from inside info)  I think the bean counters have a hand in some of this stuff.  The Transit Fuse only represented about 3% of their total yearly motorized production.

The B class vans with no generator and 600-900 amps of Lithiums, 12VDC AC and induction cooking, charged off solar and engine alternators are getting huge.  Different generation and mind set. :'(  IMPO I think its a little early in development for all this stuff.  There again I guess someone has to start somewhere.

Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Doneworking on July 16, 2019, 09:57:20 am
Hutch 42, count me in that group in your last paragraph above.  I want stuff I can fix when I am a long way from (so called) civilization.   Take a look at my post about the water pump replacement out in the middle of nowhere.   If it was up to me, I would still be lighting the water heater with a match like on my first motorhome.   I simply observe toooooo many problems with some of the new technology.  If it requires "the dealer" to fix it, I probably won't like it.   I put on my own solar and controller, fed it into a couple of lead acid golf cart sixes and can boondock with plenty of power for  the PC2350 for weeks at a time.  I think my basic problem is a dual background:  engineering and finance.   Complexity and high costs tend to make me gasp (WH)
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: CalCruiser on July 16, 2019, 05:21:33 pm
The EPA is ok with idling a 3 liter diesel to charge lithium ion coach batteries, but they won't allow you to rebuild the carburetor on your little 9 hp Onan because it might run too rich.
No doubts Winnebago will offer the $$$ Pure3 Energy Management System  option on future class A  and C models with the 7.3 liter gas v8 too. But I wouldn't expect Phoenix to independently develop something like that.

I second Doneworking' s sentiments (exactly) 
A motorhome  requires the multiple skill sets for maintaining  both a house and a vehicle,  whether or not  you pay an expert  or do it yourself.  The K.I.S.S. principle originated in the Navy, but the proverbial middle of nowhere could be on terra firma too.

Title: Re: TRX
Post by: biglegmax on July 16, 2019, 05:27:56 pm
KISS is a great concept, I've always been on board with that. But come on guys.... Gasoline, propane, solar, AC, DC, did you ever count the soleniod valves? PC's have evolved into something that is not simple or KISS.

I would much rather have Diesel, DC, solar and a few hand operated ball valves....PERIOD! I hope thats where someone will land eventually, lithium or no.

My .02 is that PC will milk the E chassis for as long as possible. I don't see them tooling up for the new transit, too big a change, they can't compete, and the passion is gone....

Doug
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Ron Dittmer on July 16, 2019, 06:39:55 pm
The way I see it, 2006 was that last year of 100% PC simplicity.  2007 (the year we own), Phoenix added a second house battery and whole house inverter, a bit more complicated but I feel worth the KISS violation.  Even that great feature had the drawback of the two house batteries completely exposed to the rear tires.  I had to come up with my own solution for that one SEEN HERE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/37432012@N08/albums/72157622075091526).  Every year thereafter, Phoenix continued their feature-improvement plan which seemed to veer off the KISS principle.  Don't misunderstand me, I think a lot of great improvements were made since we bought our PC.  But everything does have it's trade-offs.  More features makes for a nicer experience.....when everything is working right.  I think it is human nature (and I am human) to watch things improve over the years and evaluate my desire for those features in our PC.   I have implemented a few subsequent year enhancements, but I always weigh the benefit versus complexity, and also their implementation impact to our PC.  I try hard to keep the KISS principle a very high priority.

Irene and I went as far as KISSing away a slide out which was a great personal decision, but is obviously not a popular one.  Twelve years later, I think I have settled down in a fairly good place with our PC.  It is my nature to tinker but I try to do it wisely.  Today I am playing with softer E150 front coil springs on our E350 because our front axle is so light weight.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: gandalf42 on July 17, 2019, 11:14:59 am
Yes I believe in the KISS principle and as such avoided a slide and levelers. I would have avoided a power step but not really feasible.

There are a couple of places where PC lost it on the KISS principle.

One, the motorized opening of the tank valves. A simple set of pull handles would be better and more trustworthy.

The other is the 4 way/ 3 way valves. These are a hassle to use and, I suspect, prone to failure. Why not the one inlet to fill the tank, one inlet for city (pressurized) water and then some method to hook up for winterizing?  (WH)
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: hutch42 on July 17, 2019, 11:27:01 am
Speaking of KISS....you can count on one hand technology changes made on the "Holy Grail" in the past 10 years.  It took them 5 years to get convinced to use LED lighting.

They have recently added 6V AGM's and one solar panel as standard equipment.  Plus you can still option a CB radio.  Just have to wait almost 2 years to get one.

Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Doneworking on July 17, 2019, 11:36:38 am
gandalf42, I find my 2013 to really work well for us.   A hole on the passenger's side to put fresh water into the tank.  A hookup direct to the plumbing system on the driver's side.  A couple of valves to flush the gray and black tanks.  I like that last one best.  I had one of those awful wands you stuck down into the black tank to try and clean it and they worked but YUCK!   

In economics we speak about the Law of Diminishing Returns.   I suspect we violated that in RV design for many of us many gadgets and CAD designs ago.   I sometimes wonder if the highway engineers really drive and I wonder if many of the RV designers ever have an RV????   

Get ready.  RV sales are really off this year.  Take a look:  https://www.rvia.org/news-insights/rv-shipments-may-2019

That obviously is going to affect new product design and manufacturing. 
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: gandalf42 on July 17, 2019, 02:17:59 pm
gandalf42, I find my 2013 to really work well for us.   A hole on the passenger's side to put fresh water into the tank.  A hookup direct to the plumbing system on the driver's side.  A couple of valves to flush the gray and black tanks.  I like that last one best.  I had one of those awful wands you stuck down into the black tank to try and clean it and they worked but YUCK!   

The flush valves are great to have. I don't understand the gravity feed on the passenger side though as hookups are almost always on the driver's side and they have run lines over to the driver's side to the 4 way/3 way valve.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: CalCruiser on July 17, 2019, 02:54:01 pm
Interesting that class b van sales are getting hammered the worst. There's still a glut of unsold Roadtreks and Carados left over from the bankruptcy too. 20% below invoice doesn't even move them. 

But apparently Winnebago Revels are selling for full msrp with a waiting list .
To Barry or Pete or whoever is running the TRX program - maybe consider going back and reading the original TRX thread sometime before committing to a new floorplan  ;)
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Ron Dittmer on July 17, 2019, 06:06:34 pm
Being a very satisfied owner of a 2007 PC, I wonder how it might be if Phoenix returned to the basics of the 2007 model year, to help them through the next down-turn in the RV industry.  I wonder if each current-day enhancement had it's own price tag, how many people ordering a PC would select them.

One thing I feel Phoenix missed the mark on is the outer rear wall with spare tire, and another wall design without a spare tire.  I always felt they should have offered one wall system with a side-hinged rectangular spare tire compartment large enough to accommodate zero gravity chairs, folding bicycles, or whatever else bulky in place of a spare tire.  This way the factory deals with one wall design for every PC made, and the buyer has choices before and after taking delivery.  He can carry a spare or other things that could utilize the spare tire compartment.

I also feel Phoenix should offer a full body paint option that paints the house the same white color as the van portion.  A white painted exterior would look great for so many more years, and very easy to keep clean compared to a raw gel coat finish.  Painting just the house a single color should be quite affordable for people who are on a tighter budget.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: 2 Frazzled on July 18, 2019, 05:38:19 am
I don't understand the gravity feed on the passenger side though as hookups are almost always on the driver's side and they have run lines over to the driver's side to the 4 way/3 way valve.
The water tank in the 2552 is on the passenger side with the inlet right over it so that gravity feed works. If the inlet was on the driver side, the water would have to flow under the rig then back up to the tank. Not sure where tank is on other models.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: gandalf42 on July 18, 2019, 08:27:07 am
I don't understand the gravity feed on the passenger side though as hookups are almost always on the driver's side and they have run lines over to the driver's side to the 4 way/3 way valve.
The water tank in the 2552 is on the passenger side with the inlet right over it so that gravity feed works. If the inlet was on the driver side, the water would have to flow under the rig then back up to the tank. Not sure where tank is on other models.

You're right. I made a misstatement as I have never needed to truly use a gravity feed to pour water into the tank, just use a spigot to fill the tank, which has no problem doing so from the driver's side. I suspect a true gravity feed is a seldom used item, only by those doing extended boondocking and having access to water close enough to walk to but too far to hook up to, or they have a towed vehicle to fetch it. In those situations, my tanks would fill up before I would run out of water, negating the need for the gravity feed of water since I would need to move to dump the tanks and then could fill up on water at the same time.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: hutch42 on July 18, 2019, 10:58:37 am
CalC

I also noted that info on class B sales in the report.  Both Winnebago and Thor' financials show class B sales up over the same period last year?
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Pappy T on July 18, 2019, 11:49:07 am
A little more salt for the wound : https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trumps-tariffs-trip-up-the-all-american-rv-industry/ar-AAEvISd#image=AAEvISd_1|22
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Ron Dittmer on July 18, 2019, 09:05:24 pm
A little more salt for the wound : https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trumps-tariffs-trip-up-the-all-american-rv-industry/ar-AAEvISd#image=AAEvISd_1|22
Prior to the recession of 2008/2009, almost everything made for the RV industry was made in the USA.  I was happy to see so much of our 2007 PC has "Made In The USA" labels on them.  My research at that time, I also learned that our E350 chassis was the highest rated vehicle for "Made In The USA" components, something like 96% of every part number.  That too was very surprising and a comfort to me.

When the RV industry collapsed during the recession of 2008/2009 many RV component manufacturing jobs for a/c units, water heaters, fridges, and more, relocated from Elkhart, Indiana, to overseas so they have been hit by import tariffs.

On a personal level, I approve of the recent tariffs for the sake of fair trade.  I feel it will be a short term loss for a long term gain.  I hope the RV supply chain returns to the USA so the quality of products improve back to pre 2008/2009 or better.  I have noticed a few discussions here over issues with RV appliances from you good people as well as others on other RV forums, who also mention their troubled unit was not made in the USA.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Joseph on July 19, 2019, 07:17:10 am
Weíve been on the road since May 10th. Travelled over 7,000 miles so far in the Pc and another 1600 in the toad. We stay on back roads as much as possible. Everywhere and I mean everywhere we travelled there is a never ending supply of used Rec vehicles for sale. Late model, older units, restored, needs TLC and so on. From 5th wheel, to 45 foot pushers, to small Mercedes diesel rigs, to class C, B, B+ and super C,s and travel trailers alike. Privately owned used units are available everywhere. The only privately owned rec vehicles we saw more of for sale were boats.

Reminds me of Harley motorcycles. At one time you bought whatever rolled off the truck if you were lucky to be in line that day. Now the market is saturated and Harley has closed plants. Did those aging Harley riders move on to motorhomes? I did.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: RonJ on July 24, 2019, 10:07:20 am
New 2021 Ford E-Series Chassis Cab Debuts

http://fordauthority.com/2019/03/new-2021-ford-e-series-chassis-cab-debuts/ (http://fordauthority.com/2019/03/new-2021-ford-e-series-chassis-cab-debuts/)

(http://fordauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Ford-E-Series-1-720x340.jpg)

(http://fordauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Ford-E-Series-2.jpg)
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Ron Dittmer on July 25, 2019, 06:46:43 am
A personal thing....I wished they did something new with the front grille.  I never liked the industrial look that has been around since 2008.

I find it interesting about the 7.3 liter pushrod engine.  More HP & Torque, a bigger power band, and less noise.  I wonder about fuel economy.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: RonJ on July 25, 2019, 09:59:49 am
I agree on both points.

RonJ
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: jfcaramagno on July 25, 2019, 02:43:43 pm
Finally, some controls on the steering wheel. Ford is dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.  :lol
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Pappy T on August 02, 2019, 08:28:34 am
The latest on the 7.3 from Ford . Sounds pretty good !   https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-trucks/new-ford-73-liter-godzilla-gasoline-v-8-coming-for-super-duty-lineup/ar-AAFbTHa?li=BBnb4R5
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: hutch42 on August 02, 2019, 10:33:42 am
The new 2020 Ford Transit was previewed at the Winnebago Grand National Rally last month.

Pictures of slides so may not come out to clear.

Hutch
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: RonJ on August 02, 2019, 12:15:20 pm
In regards to "Godzilla"..  the 2020 E450, I found his very interesting.....

"A new 10-speed automatic transmission based on the unit currently in use in the F-150 will mate with the 7.3 in the F-250 and F-350 versions and up through the vehicle range to a point. Although fuel-economy numbers are rarely revealed for this class of vehicles, Ford is indicating improvements for the models equipped with the 10-speed. The transmission has been heavily revised for use in a heavy-duty application, according to Ford. You can still spec the six-speed in the F-250 pickup and the F-350 chassis. The really big stuff, namely the hard-core F-650 and F-750 trucks, stripped-chassis F-53 and F-59, and E-350 and E-450 chassis-cab models, will continue to use the double-overdrive version of the six-speed transmission".

RonJ
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: CalCruiser on August 29, 2019, 01:27:18 am
No slide 2100 floor plan with gas engine :

https://www.rvt.com/Phoenix-Usa-Phoenix-Cruiser-TRX-2020-Jacksonville-FL-ID8885108-UX198494
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Sarz272000 on August 29, 2019, 10:52:10 am
Thanks for sharing. I like the paint scheme.  I wonder there are no Trx info on PC website.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: hutch42 on August 29, 2019, 03:45:41 pm
As a big fan of the Ford Transit's, this is one of the best looking class C Transits out there.  Glad to see them not giving up on.

Hutch
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: 2 Frazzled on September 07, 2019, 07:08:28 am
If all goes as planned, there will be a PC Transit at the Travel Club Reunion in Charleston in a few weeks. If you are not registered to attend but are near there, you might be able to arrange with Phoenix to stop by to see it. The last I heard there will be three new rigs there for at least three days of the reunion and one is expected to be the Transit. No guarantees- I assume that if they get an offer on the Transit then it will go to its new owners instead of coming to play in Charleston.

For those on our wait list, Phoenix isn't taking your spot by bringing three rigs. There were additional campsites open but we are already maxed out on the meeting room and day trip limits.

The PC Transit's debut is the Hershey RV show in PA this coming week.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: hutch42 on September 07, 2019, 11:33:52 am
No slide 2100 floor plan with gas engine :

https://www.rvt.com/Phoenix-Usa-Phoenix-Cruiser-TRX-2020-Jacksonville-FL-ID8885108-UX198494

I sent this to "Pete" last fall.  Looks really close tymote

Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Ron Dittmer on September 09, 2019, 08:52:12 am
If I were in the market, specifically for model 2100, I would surely consider the Transit option. It seems ideal for the application.

Model 2350 without a slide out works for us.  With our 2007 E350 chassis, our rig empty (with a full tank of fuel and propane) weighs 9,920 pounds.  With a GVWR of 11,500 pounds, we can add 1580 pounds of ourselves, on-board fresh water, and supplies.  Our typical load during trips is only a few hundred pounds less than max with all the weight we add resting on the rear axle.

A bare Transit chassis weighs less than an E350, but if weighed the same, a Transit version with a GVWR of 10,360 pounds, you have only 440 pounds to work with.  Two 220 pound adults alone would put it at it's limit.  I don't see Phoenix offering a Transit 2350 unless Ford increased it's GVWR.

Our 2007 2350 weighed empty, but with a full tank of gasoline and propane.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/767/21657658075_bee33d8e64_z.jpg)

Wandering off topic a bit, here is our weight distribution.  With most of the weight we add resting behind the rear axle, the teeter-totter effect lightens the front axle such that our body weight up front adds even more to the rear axle weight.  It seems Phoenix should consider increasing the E-series wheel base to match the Sprinter version for much improved weight distribution and improved handling.  Changing the default chassis from the E350 to the E450 is a brute-force method to address the condition, but is still not right to me.  The E450 2350 is over-kill creating a very rough-riding rig.  My thoughts on a solution for that is "spring rate reduction" to fine-tune to the actual load.  It's a science if you desire to get it right.  As of late, I am giving "science" a try, though at a snail's pace.  First-up is reducing the spring rate up front, maybe followed with a small increase in back.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48533409317_0b01673426_z.jpg)
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: hutch42 on September 09, 2019, 12:36:21 pm
Ron

GVWR on all of the Transit based RV's has been an issue.   Several like LTV Wonder and the Coach House III have less then 900 pounds of OCCC.  The Winnebago Fuses have been running 1200-1300 pounds OCCC with average options.  That gets used up pretty quick once you start filling water and stowing gear.  The Fuse 23F does have a 2350 like layout.       

https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2019-Winnebago-Fuse-23F-5005286511

At this point its sort of a moot issue as production on the Fuse was halted in March of this year due to a number of reasons including a glut of RV's on dealers lots, and the all new 2020 Ford Transit which has major changes such as increased GVWR to 11,000 LBS (now equal to the Sprinter) All Wheel Drive on certain models. and all new engine options.  Winnebago has committed to a new Class C and B models using the new chassis.  However I have the feeling that the OCCC on the new models wont change much.

My assumptions are that PC will also be able to utilize the new Transit.

Hutch

Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Ron Dittmer on September 09, 2019, 04:11:33 pm
Interesting Hutch.

I hope Phoenix will offer that higher GVWR Fuse-based 2350 in the future.  Given we have comfortably vacationed in our slide-less 2350 since 2007, I can say with confidence that it is a practical floor plan as long as seekers get over it being slide-less.  A 400 pound slide-out is just too big a weight-gain where the pounds would still be closely counted.

No fresh water, no people, no gear, the rear end of that lower GVWR version already sags as shown in the one picture here.
(https://cdn2.rvtrader.com/v1/media/5d510e6ffbb3d61d3945e1c4.jpg?width=1024&height=768&quality=70)

FWIW: That boxy Winnebago Fuse 23F does not have the appeal of a Phoenix, but it's $85,000 sale price is intriguing.  It would be interesting to see how the price of an equivalent Phoenix 2350 would compare.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Denny & Barb on September 09, 2019, 06:39:16 pm
A personal thing....I wished they did something new with the front grille.  I never liked the industrial look that has been around since 2008.

I find it interesting about the 7.3 liter pushrod engine.  More HP & Torque, a bigger power band, and less noise.  I wonder about fuel economy.

I wonder about all this 7.3 stuff also.   Really... Noise reduction?  How about HP and TQ ratings?  Not much different than the V10, (especially the 30 valve version in the F53). AND... what about the MPG?  Power requires fuel.   HP and TQ are not that impressive compared to the V10.  (Especially if turned with 5-Star) .

Just saying.

Denny and Barb.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: RonJ on September 13, 2019, 11:46:59 am
There were two Transits at the Hershey RV show this week.  One was marked as SOLD.  I didn't see any prices.

Title: Re: TRX
Post by: keelhauler on September 13, 2019, 02:48:35 pm
Any floor plans for new TRX
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: RonJ on September 13, 2019, 03:56:59 pm
The one I was able to look into had two singles.  No slides.  I was told they are hoping to utilize the larger Transit soon and have the ability to have slides.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Sarz272000 on September 13, 2019, 04:28:38 pm
Thanks for the update Ron.  I really like the outside color scheme.  I will be interested how it stacks up against my 2551 for capacity, handling and storage.  My 2551 is +1 in all those areas.

You have a great name! Looks like the Ron's are takin over!  ;)

Ron S
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: RonJ on September 13, 2019, 09:27:36 pm
Ahhh...look what I found in my pile of stuff from the show.  I didn't even know I had it.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: CalCruiser on September 14, 2019, 01:42:53 am
IMHO the diesel version should just about obsolete the 2100 if itís around the same ďfactory directĒ price. The first article 2019 TRX (gas) was listed for $99k, not the  new $142k CW  of  Tampa price. The RVT listing indicates a gasoline engine with propane generator  (WH)

Canít really see how Phoenix could  justify a Transit 235O or 2400 since they already build them on the popular  Sprinter chassis, unless the revised Transit chassis and  drivetrain are far superior.

The new floorplan is a huge improvement over that PC 2300 throwback. Perhaps the short Transit wide body will fare better than the defunct longer Winnebago Fuse(s) and Forest River TS2390. The TS2380 and TS2370 models are still around for 2020 on the old chassis too.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: hutch42 on September 14, 2019, 12:17:10 pm
A FORD TRANSIT RV OBSERVATION.

I have belonged to three Transit owners forums for a while.  One for over three years.  I have come to realize that the Transit (and Sprinter) have created a totally new RV lifestyle.  Not your fathers (or us) perception of what RVing is/was about, but a whole new concept.  Current B owners disdain RV parks.  They never want to plug in. They very seldom will stay in one place for more then a night.  They want an RV that they can use for a daily driver.  They are minimalist's, tiny house people if you will.  And, they want to reduce their carbon footprint.  Currant B+ owners may not be so extreme, but do follow some of the same trends.

The buyers of the Transits tend to be first time RVer's.  For the true class B's as many as 85% are newbies.  For the B+'s like the Fuse and LTV wonder maybe 60% with many of the others downsizing.  They tend to not shop a particular brand, but the unit that has the most off grid features and technologies.  Many of the units come standard with sophisticated Firefly systems, induction cooking, compressor fridges, and some with no generators.

Ive found that trying to compare the Transit to a larger Ford chassis Class C or even Class A's is Apples to Oranges.  They are different, made to fit another lifestyle.  One that will not fit every ones needs.  However its opened up a whole new market for the manufacturers. One that is the only bright spot in an industry wide declining market.  Those makers that have jumped in with both feet on the Transit B's & B+'s will probably be successful.  Those that only dabble in, maybe not so much. 

IMHO
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: CalCruiser on September 14, 2019, 05:45:02 pm
Hutch - think Airstream Interstate, not Hymer Aktiv.
If the TRX wide body  stacks up nicely in a head-to- head comparison with the AI, and they can price it more  like a 2100, it should hit the mark.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: hutch42 on September 14, 2019, 08:36:01 pm
Hutch - think Airstream Interstate, not Hymer Aktiv.
If the TRX wide body  stacks up nicely in a head-to- head comparison with the AI, and they can price it more  like a 2100, it should hit the mark.

cal cruiser-right.

I failed to mention the stated differences between the Sprinter and Transit.  Handling.  I have camped in both a Sprinter and a Transit Fuse.  They both drive well.  The Transit has a little less rocking and rolling, top heavy feel.  The Transit has an almost sports car feel to it. The ladies love driving. Three engine options 2 gas and one diesel.  MPG for the diesel 15-17 MPG and the gas 13-14 MPG.  Dealers....a huge issue with MB, but lots of Ford dealers.  Service costs...well thats pretty well know with MB.  Oil changes at $300 (MB dealer), $50-$75 with the Transit.  Warranty pretty much the same.  Supply chain was a problem with MB this year.  They had big time issues getting chassis to the makers.

I think that PC can make a far superior B+ then other makers.  The TRX should be a winner.

Hutch
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Pappy T on September 14, 2019, 08:52:16 pm
Hi all , found a little publicity for PC , TRX is highlighted  !    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_unsovT_iY
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: donc13 on September 15, 2019, 12:12:18 pm
We had a 2008 Forest River Lexington with a very similar floorplan so I am offering up a word of caution on this model.  The furniture in the FR was crap.  I am sure these sofabeds are much more comfortable thus not needing memory foam pads.  However, it would appear that with the motors under and behind the sofas that there is no storage for pillows, sheets and blankets.  I would be curious to know what y'all think would work for storage when you see one of these.  They are very pretty!

'just my "girl" opinion...... Patti
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Volkemon on September 17, 2019, 12:44:23 pm
A personal thing....I wished they did something new with the front grille.  I never liked the industrial look that has been around since 2008.

Mrs V loves the 'face' on the Transit. Grill makes the nose, smiley face on the bottom..  Still looks like it needs lashes, but a little less feminine than the Dodge   :lol..

(https://www.fordeumedia-d.ford.com/nas/gforcenaslive/gbr/su_pm/images/gbrsu_pmca_p2cd203cd424cd107(pay)(eng)(tra)(axl)(rwh)pn3gz_22_0.png)

Should come standard with these..  2o2
(https://images.neofill.com/images/promo_logo/183066.jpg)



But WOW... from this angle we begin to retch...
(https://cdn2.rvt.com/photos2/5108/8885108/8885108_1.jpg)

Maybe I can lay some of the blame to cell phone camera distortion, but Good Lord.. that is one mashed together 'style'.  The window bottoms are what, a foot below windshield base? And does even 1/2 of that window open? Is the front overhang 4 feet? (Guess my eyes are good...looked it up and I am close! 40.3 inches. https://www.ford.com/services/assets/Brochure?bodystyle=Van&make=Ford&model=Transit&year=2018) (2007 E350 overhang 66% of that at 30 inches.. https://www.iseecars.com/car/2007-ford-econoline_cargo_van-specs#styleId=286426) 

They could have left those 'style grooves' out of the side adapters IMO...  Adds nothing but MORE fussy lines, and there are plenty there for 3 vehicles already. The top cap looks like the design money ran out when they got there. Too bad, there could have been a unifying feature there... somehow.. 
I have to compliment the paint designer... that black patch does make the front look less like it was extruded from a sphincter and superglued to a shoe box..  That bottom window curve is remarkable in the fact that it manages to exist in a large group of curves...and compliment none of them.  Once again, could be the camera. Maybe it matches the hood curve? Dunno.

Is the coach area wider than in the past, or the track narrower than the E350? Those rear duallies are lost deep in the wheelwell.. looks funky to me.  (YEP!  Rear track w/duallies Transit - 65.7"  E350 - 75.4 "  so about 10 inches narrower)   I am of the opinion a wider track is more stable. Looks better also.

But hey, there is a percentage of people that just like NEW and DIFFERENT. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I better get a service dog and a cane soon. I had been warned that blindness would strike me...   roflol  evidently the time is near.


BUT... I do love the wheels. A tribute to the original 'Indy Slots'   (https://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/mediumlarge/usm-u10115006135_ml.jpg)
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Ron Dittmer on September 18, 2019, 08:11:36 am
Maybe I can lay some of the blame to cell phone camera distortion, but Good Lord.
But WOW... from this angle we begin to retch...
(https://cdn2.rvt.com/photos2/5108/8885108/8885108_1.jpg)

Be careful Volkemon.

Years ago I was trying to get Stuart at the factory to back away from the motor home and take his pictures from a distance of at least 50 feet to eliminate the horrible distortion.  I shared this with the PC community but got hammered for my criticism.  Back then we could rate each other as with a "neighborly" and "un-neighborly".  My ratings tanked so badly from that.

But I am 100% in agreement with you.  I'd give you all the neighborly's I could to counter-act the bad ones.  :)
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: donc13 on September 18, 2019, 12:11:57 pm
It's the wide angle lens that is used that distorts so much.  Most phone camera lenses by default are wide angle unless you zoom in to about 2x.

Title: Re: TRX
Post by: luckytown on September 24, 2019, 10:12:33 am
Hello All,

I went to the Hershey show and saw the TRX model....I was impressed with the paint scheme and the over all look.....They said that the TRX will come on both the diesel and gas Transit platform....It is exactly the 2100 floor plan with variations of double sofa or power sofa bed and dinette. Apologies if pics are not clear
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: mikeh on September 30, 2019, 12:48:09 pm
At Elkhart today to get a couple service issues done on my unit.  Most of the folks were gone to the Travel Club Reunion in Charleston--took a new TRX down for that.
Phoenix seems to be definitely prepping for a TRX production surge.  Mostly 450's in the shop on the line right now, but only a couple bare 450 chassis outside, and I'll bet close to a dozen new bare Transits.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: hutch42 on September 30, 2019, 03:51:37 pm
Phoenix seems to be definitely prepping for a TRX production surge.  Mostly 450's in the shop on the line right now, but only a couple bare 450 chassis outside, and I'll bet close to a dozen new bare Transits.


Interesting to see them go full speed with the 2019 chassis.  The newer 2020 higher GVWR, new engines, etc chassis should be out by Nov/Dec.
Probably wont make any difference in TRX construction I guess.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Sarz272000 on September 30, 2019, 09:48:42 pm
Thanks for update on Trx.  I wonder when they are going to announce new layouts for the Trx. What they offer now is not of interest. 

Ron S
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: Ron Dittmer on September 30, 2019, 10:26:41 pm
I feel the Phoenix TRX would sell in much greater numbers with model 2350-no-slide like we have because of the full-time bed plus a dinette or couch.  It all works fine without the need for a slide-out.  Next year's TRX chassis should help make that happen.
Title: Re: TRX
Post by: 2 Frazzled on October 01, 2019, 04:20:14 am
I'm in Charleston at the reunion and the TRX is here. She's beautiful. Everyone is hoping to see inside today. Phoenix USA gifted us with entertainment last night and the Phoenix TRX was the stage. It was really pretty cool with the awning out and that light strip under the awning lighting the "stage". We have 43 rigs here including the FOUR shining new ones that Phoenix brought in.