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General Discussion / Re: Camping without electric hook-ups
« on: August 14, 2019, 04:39:47 pm »
We have never done any boondocking  We  want to learn about the process and what we need to do without electricity. Our main concern is the refrigerator.  If anyone can suggest where we can learn more about this topic we would really appreciate it.
Thank you

You could use one of these to give a snap shot of what your power usage would be.

General Discussion / Re: TRX
« on: August 02, 2019, 10:33:42 am »
The new 2020 Ford Transit was previewed at the Winnebago Grand National Rally last month.

Pictures of slides so may not come out to clear.


General Discussion / Re: Leveling Jacks & Aluminum Wheels
« on: July 26, 2019, 12:45:23 am »
Never felt the need for jacks on a coach less then 25'-26'.  Used a 33' Newmar Baystar A for a month a few years back and the dealer told us to make sure to use the jacks to level the coach before you put the slide out.  Newmar has several models with half and full body slides.  One day I forgot to use in a state park that was a little off level.  Heard this groaning noise when putting out the slide.  Realized then the twisting and wracking a slide goes through in an unlevel coach.  Makes sense.  Fell in love with the auto jacks.  Push one button and 15 seconds later your level.  Not sure I would get in a 24' RV....at our age probably.

General Discussion / Re: TRX
« on: July 18, 2019, 10:58:37 am »

I also noted that info on class B sales in the report.  Both Winnebago and Thor' financials show class B sales up over the same period last year?

General Discussion / Re: TRX
« on: July 17, 2019, 11:27:01 am »
Speaking of KISS....you can count on one hand technology changes made on the "Holy Grail" in the past 10 years.  It took them 5 years to get convinced to use LED lighting.

They have recently added 6V AGM's and one solar panel as standard equipment.  Plus you can still option a CB radio.  Just have to wait almost 2 years to get one.

General Discussion / Re: TRX
« on: July 15, 2019, 08:30:15 pm »
Interesting that Winnebago completely stopped making Transit bís and cís   (exactly)

A 2100 or 2350 with the new 7.3 Godzilla v8 and 10 speed transmission cruising along at 1200 rpm  might be capable of 14 mpg . Same GVWR and keep the generator too.

Not sure whats going to happen with a B Transit for WBGO.  The 2020 B+/C Fuse would have been due out in June/July.  Probably does not make sense to introduce a new model 3 months before the new 2020 Transit chassis rolls out. (verified from inside info)  I think the bean counters have a hand in some of this stuff.  The Transit Fuse only represented about 3% of their total yearly motorized production.

The B class vans with no generator and 600-900 amps of Lithiums, 12VDC AC and induction cooking, charged off solar and engine alternators are getting huge.  Different generation and mind set. :'(  IMPO I think its a little early in development for all this stuff.  There again I guess someone has to start somewhere.

General Discussion / Re: TRX
« on: July 14, 2019, 06:56:48 pm »
Curious about Winnebagos'  new 2350 Transit clone (Fuse 23F)

And about why Winnebago only offered an Ecoboost powered Paseo, and why that got the axe.
And about the updated Ford e-series with the all-new 7.3 Godzilla V8 and 10 speed transmission.

Any clues Hutch ?

I can help a little on 2 of the 3 questions.  I have belong to the Fuse owners forum since its inception.  The Fuse has been out of production since early March.  It appears that the primary reason is to reevaluate what they are going to do with the all new 2020 Ford Transit when its available in the late fall.  Theres thought if they do anything that it may not be called a Fuse ....something different perhaps?  The other piece of the puzzle was to help reduce the glut of inventory on dealers lots.  Winnebago is down 19% in class A&C sales the first 3 qtrs of their fiscal year.  A industry wide problem due to 7 strong years of RV growth.  According to the WBGO CEO things are leveling off. 

The story on the 2350 look alike Fuse 23F.  It was introduced only last July  and has not been a big seller.  Partially because of the loss of sales in Class C, and perhaps the undersized "Corner Bed" according to Fuse Forum members.  The 23T and 2551/52 clone 23A have sold very well.  Recently this has helped new sales of the 23F because theres no more 23A's and T's on the market.  4-5 F's have sold in the last few weeks.

The Paseo.  Cant be a whole lot of help.  The rumors on the street point to a larger then normal amount of glitches with equal amount of customer complaints about them. The killer was the beds would only sleep someone less then 5'-10"...a mistake that WBGO has fessed up to.  The gas engine like the Travato could be combined with a second alternator to power the (at the time) future Lithium package.  Cant do that with a diesel engine due to the long hours of idle time.**

Sorry cant be of any help with the new V8....lots of wondering out there though.

**Better splain this one a little better.  Ford and MB say the Turbos and DEF systems dont do well idling for long periods of time due to clogging, pressure, moisture? etc.

PS...I would be in arrears if I did not mention that any glitches were strictly WBGO's or vendor equipment.  The 400+ Fuse Ford Transits chassis have performed flawlessly!
The Fuse owners have been very supportive (unlike MB chassis owners)  Easy handling, great turning radius, lots of pull and power, great mileage, and Ford dealers everywhere.

General Discussion / TRX
« on: July 14, 2019, 11:11:35 am »
Curious.  Has anyone seen or heard anything about the TRX?  Figured maybe PC is waiting for the all new upgrade 2020 Ford Transit chassis this fall.  Maybe they have put a hold on with the down turn in motorized RV (exception class B) sales the past year.


If its a 20 amp service, you have 16 amps which is 80% of the 20 amp breaker to use.

So, your converter will draw anywhere from 2- 6 amps depending on state of battery. Reefer is okay...maybe 3-4 amps.  Lights and water pump okay a few amps.

Weve camped for days with 20 amps.  Just dont use a hair dryer, or run HW on 120V.  Furnace would be okay if everything else not on.

The only real gripe I have with the warranty is the "full timing" disclaimer, "LLC" disclaimer, and "substantial damage" and its interpretation. But have seen this in other warranty's.

The other exceptions to the warranty seem to be sort of normal I think...although could be gray areas.  The 90 day paint warranty a bit unusual maybe.  The "complete body structure" can be all encompassing (or not) (nod)  Covering all PC structural/built items with the exception of those items that carry their own warranty...which is quite a few things, and not unusual for other RV builders. PC does not define certain components in the structure as do other makers.  The words improper installation by PC is not mentioned, nor would it be in any other warranty I believe.  However if they installed the grey and black water tanks backwards, generator upside down, or wired the micro wave improperly, this would be covered in the "complete body structure" I am sure.

The chassis warranty is mentioned, which would be all Ford with exceptions for other vendors add on's like Quigleys stuff.  This is sort of alluded to in the wording.

The last area of who takes care of any of these malfunctions seems to be addressed in legalized talk.  The first thought if it is vendor related...owner takes care of.  Well yes in a way "unless" you live near an authorized service center.  In that case I am assuming that PC will repair all and deal with the vendor themselves.  Or, if out of the area you can bring to a authorized vendor repair center get done yourself.  If a body structure problem.  Get authorization from PC to get work done.

My interpretation of whats covered in the PC warranty and by whom is attached.

Sad I guess and guessing they are not the only ones. For me I could care less, there is no way I would buy a new Rv with the endless used units available with so little use.  However I appreciate those that just have to buy new to keep those used units coming.

Unfortunately PC's main competition has been bucking the trend on warranties.  Of the five smaller boutique class C and B+ builders PC seems to be going the other way.  Lazy Daze still has a 1 yr unlimited mileage warranty.....Total different animal there.  The other three have been increasing there warranty times.  See attached.

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Company notice back in March or April about selling PC's

I was just reading that attached warranty and and I think it says you have to take it to the dealer you bought it from to have warranty service done. Since all sales route through Camper's Inn now, do you have to have it serviced by them? Do they have service centers?

Campers Inn has 22 locations from Maine to Florida.  Only 5-6 sell PC's so not sure all of their locations will work on as of yet.  The home office will work on and I believe it states in the fine print that you can have other RV repair shops work on with prior approval from home office.  This only if you are not near an authorized repair center.

(Quote) I knew some RV dealers stated full time use voided the warranty so I specifically checked that prior to purchase. Phoenix would have been cut from my list at the get go. We had to shop insurance also to make sure full time use was covered.

I took a look at the other smaller class B+ makers to see if anything unique in the warranty's.  Nothing really, other then they are all longer then PC.  Really don't understand why they are doing this.  See attached.


The other thing I noticed hidden in the fine print is whats considered commercial use.  "Any PC registered to an LLC shall be deemed commercial use".  Many owners will set up LLC's to avoid certain taxes levied in different states. I am not debating if this is a right or wrong issue morally, but it is legal in certain states, and has nothing to do with commercial use!

I guess the bottom line is that your 12 month, 12,000 mile "limited warranty" is truly limited to a total of 228 days, with no more then 30 consecutive days, or 36 days over a 2 month period of use during the first year.  You'll have to employ a statistician to keep track of use the first year.  Can you imagine the questions asked on a warranty claim? :help  Would not think that PC would have a Robert Mueller team ready to investigate.

Hell of a sales tool.  Makes me think twice if they ever fully develop the TRX.  Will have to bring a black magic marker and pen to strike certain wording in the warranty!

My 2 cents.

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