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General Discussion / Re: Potential Four Down Vehicles
« on: March 08, 2019, 08:22:58 am »
Here are your answers: http://www.motorhome.com/download-dinghy-guides/
This tow guide is the key. I'd only add that it is wise to chose the smallest, lightest vehicle that will do the job you need it to do when you get to your destinations. The E450 has a lot of power, but you will still "feel" the Toad back there.

Tips and Tricks / Re: Replacing Shock Absorbers That Failed And Why
« on: March 07, 2019, 12:15:59 pm »
Thanks for the insight. They can sure keep the visible part of the shock looking good, it's what you can't see that counts.
I have the same Koni"s, do I assume they were not stock from PC?  We have no records from the original owners, unfortunately. Our steering stabilizer appears to be nothing fancy, likely original, and we have about the same mileage, 33k. Only a very slight wander to chase going down the road...can that be totally eliminated?
I used to have a floor jack that big, no more, good excuse to let a pro take a look!
Keep those tips and comments coming! Love it! :)(:

General Discussion / Re: DVR cabinet removal 2010 2551
« on: March 07, 2019, 09:54:02 am »
I took out the screen door so I could lag a 2x4 to the sturdy metal framework, after putting a notch where the horizontal TV plate would go, painting it to match the leatherette.

Then I attached the 1x10 pine board to the back of the 2x4 and attached the unit to the door frame.

I had to remove the inner panel of the remaining cabinet so I could put a 2x6 backer board for the beveled 2x6 to support the other end of the TV mounting board. I used the original PC mounting board as a template for the TV mounting screws, and was easily able to reach over the top to get to the screws.

Turns out, as always, the hardest part was getting started.

I'm going to create a magazine/map/brochure/misc rack for where the TV was, maybe even use the narrow cabinet door that remained after demo day. The DVD and Dish Wally fit snugly on a shelf I made for the charge station cabinet. Comes in and out by turning it sideways. Looks great with the door back on.

I also moved the center speaker to under the TV where it can actually be heard, reconnected the speaker wires so the former RR is now the RF, the LR is now the RR. the RF was removed to eventually become the LF, and the LF is now the LR, with no moving of any speaker wires, except the center speaker is hardwired at the speaker and had to be spliced.

Sounds great from the couch, looks right from the couch!

No more complaints on our 2551! Worth the effort... bonus high praise from the better half.


We're currently in Arizona waiting for the thaw so we can start north. We're on a quest to find an awesome location for the Phoenix Cruiser Travel Club Reunion for 2020. We'll be hitting Sedona, Flagstaff, Grand Canyon, St. George/Zion, Bryce, Salt Lake City, Grand Teton, and Yellowstone before looping across the upper U.S. then back around to Charleston SC for the 2019 PCTC Reunion. We'll probably hit the Black Hills on the way through. No reservations so far, no set schedule, just wandering.

I like the "Phoenix Free Birds" name!

Great Name for sure!
You may be hunkering down in AZ awhile, the way the weather has been and the forecast is looking. All of your destinations are fantastic, and hopefully you can get to some of them before the summer onslaught hits. Hard to believe right now that summer is just around the corner!
Happy Trails

Thanks for the info! tymote
I'm sure you'll notice the performance improvements, even in the Florida flatlands.
Looking forward to hearing if you have a MPG improvement too. :)(:


Adventure Anywhere / Re: Almost there!
« on: March 06, 2019, 10:40:43 am »
Congrats, retirement is worth the efforts.
I don't think you can go wrong with any of the Southwest, so full of wonder and adventure you can't go wrong (until it gets too hot, that is.)  You might be better asking if there are any places you should avoid!
Happy Trails!

General Discussion / Re: DVR cabinet removal 2010 2551
« on: March 05, 2019, 08:34:37 am »
Well, it took 6 weeks of should I, shouldn't I, with a lot of what if's and how do I's, then I hit my head on the corner of that damn cabinet again, got out the weapons of destruction, and started into it.

The process is not for the faint of heart. You gotta love a challenge and not fear to blur the fine line between bravery and stupidity.

There was no need to worry about the offending cabinet falling on me. It had to be deconstructed piece by piece to access the wiring snaking through it and the four screws holding the remaining framework to the ceiling and wall.

I was careful with the pieces in case I hit a road block and had to reconstruct it. 38 different pieces of wood in one cabinet...no wonder these are pricey. Glad there was no glue, only hundreds of staples, which only need some coaxing and a yank.

Then the point of no return was reached. No way was I putting all of this cheap wood back. And I could visualize the TV in the place it should have been all along, and see a plan to make it happen.

Just take a few gallon jugs of tap water to use to flush the toilet, that's what we do since we often travel in iffy weather .Here with Colorado weather you never know, too, and why worry? A half-gallon jug sits next to the toilet always, and can be used when the "flush" is less than stellar.   And you don't have to re-winterize.
Plus, in our PC if you don't get all of the air out of all of the water lines, the pump keeps cycling if left on. The outside shower is the most vulnerable to freezing. I cut a few pieces of insulation and stuff it in the shower access door for good measure. I wish PC would have an inside shut-off for the outside shower.

General Discussion / 5-Star Tuneup or other engine enhancer results?
« on: March 04, 2019, 09:54:50 am »
There was some talk awhile back about the 5-Star engine software modification.   I'm thinking of trying to get back the 1 MPG (other than driving 40 MPH all the time) I lost by pulling the toad.  Could those of you who have done it give an update to your performance improvements? Has anyone  used any of the other performance "chips"  that are out there?  This one looks interesting: https://www.ultrarvproducts.com/Ford-V10-UltraPower-Custom-Tuning    My mechanic had concerns about the transmission potential damage, he says a performance muffler will give the same results +/-. (He has the same E450 in his RV.)  Appreciate the comments!

General Discussion / Re: Winterizing holding tank sprayer lines
« on: March 04, 2019, 08:27:51 am »
Good pic. So we should probably all winterize those and the question returns to how. Those with a compressor can do the air thing and that should work. They just have to remember to go around and do that valve also but a question asked above is how to do it without a compressor.

Would one of those miracle grow things (filled with pink stuff not fertilizer) hooked to a hose do the trick or would it be too diluted?

A related question: Can you do the compressed air with the four way valve? (I know you'd also need to do the flush line connector)
When you blow out the lines, you connect the air at the lines at the water pump, first in side to water tank then out to faucets. I don't have the four way valve but it should be able to be set to different positions for the same effect.
I have always blow out lines. We live in the arid Southwest where many have underground sprinkler systems that need to be blown out every fall when the irrigation ditches are shut off for the winter. It works.
I also remember the pre-pink stuff days when blowing out the lines was the only option (or maybe my Dad was just too thrifty to buy the stuff!)

As I understand it, the water heater and the water tank emptied can freeze the little residual with no damage because there is room for expansion of the ice. The grey and black tanks would be fine but not the drain plumbing upstream of the dump valves.
I would not try the hose end fertilizer sprayer as it would dilute the the pink too much.

General Discussion / Re: Winterizing holding tank sprayer lines
« on: March 02, 2019, 11:49:10 pm »
This post is addressing the tank flush lines ONLY.

- I'm pretty sure older models do not have the sprayers at all.
- Our 2013 has them. I don't know what year they started installing them. We have a hose attachment in the macerator cabinet that does one thing: supply water to the little sprayers inside both our black and grey tanks. When we turn them on, we hear the water pelting the inside of the tanks.

We've never winterized those flush lines, have been in lengthy deep freezes and have not had any problems to date. It's possible they simply drain out into the tank. I haven't crawled underneath to trace the lines so don't know if they are set up for gravity to do its thing. If motivation finds me, I'll check.

The lines go up from the valves and over the plumbing to the top part of the tanks. My pic on the original post is a shot looking straight up, so no need to crawl under! (I always use my cell phone to snap pics of places I'd rather not stoop to, and those tiny printed directions on everything...take a pic and enlarge it.) I opened my valves last time after flushing the tanks and a bunch of water drained out of the filler connection, so water does stay trapped . Probably more danger to the valves and fittings than to the actual flexible hose used,

Phunny PC never mentions this, also odd no problems have been noticed.

General Discussion / Re: Toggle Switch for Dash Radio
« on: March 01, 2019, 01:48:19 pm »
Sounds like a good switch to have, since you can basically chose which set of batteries you want to run the radio, and not have the key on. With solar tho, I don't worry and also have changed the white switch to an on/off replacing the factory push-and-hold to use one.

General Discussion / Re: Winterizing holding tank sprayer lines
« on: March 01, 2019, 12:30:17 pm »
So, are everybody's tank flush hoses exposed to the elements, and therefore should be blown out or winterized, which sounds like something no one has thought of or done, and with no apparent damage? (And I thought I had serious ADD.)

General Discussion / Re: 2020 Ford E450 cutaway
« on: February 27, 2019, 05:22:08 pm »
I'm pretty sure a 2020 Ford E450 cutaway is going to leak like crazy 'til someone puts an RV on it....

General Discussion / Re: Winterizing holding tank sprayer lines
« on: February 25, 2019, 10:32:03 am »
I was hoping to hear if more people either did something to winterize these lines, or never thought of it but never had a problem. Or had no clue as to what I was talking about.  Or possibly never use the holding tank sprayer system at all? Or is it that of the 135 views, only 3 are actual PC owners? I guess also that PC does not monitor this Forum or they would have responded. Seemed important to me...
Thanks to those of you who did reply.

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