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Re: Tire and battery advice
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2014, 09:18:14 pm »
Hey great ideal Ron,,, yeah we have those charities donate you car etc  will check that out  great suggestion

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Re: Tire and battery advice
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2014, 11:50:52 am »
Well had 2010 2551 mh winterized and asked my RV service to check on my tires.  As I see it they were mfg. 0808 so they are six yrs old. He said they show very slight dry rot and will pass inspection in the spring.  They have plenty of tread and seem ok but I am thinking that it is time to get new tires.  I know there has been many discussions on this topic and really up to the individual to make the decision on what to do.    So for safety sake do you think it is time to get new and would like to get Michelin's and my rv service said they can get them. Of course my tires were not on the recall as mentioned in other forum discussions.
The next thing is coach batteries and they are the original ones. They are so hard to read the water level and was wondering if they are replaced as to what is a better battery.  My MH will be stored in Pole Barn and I have been told you can leave it plugged in all the time to keep the batteries charged but afraid they could be overcharged.  I keep little nite lites on to use some of the power but not sure what is right.  Any suggestions on the questions??? 
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Re: Tire and battery advice
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2014, 11:56:52 am »
Well had 2010 2551 mh winterized and asked my RV service to check on my tires.  As I see it they were mfg. 0808 so they are six yrs old. He said they show very slight dry rot and will pass inspection in the spring.  They have plenty of tread and seem ok but I am thinking that it is time to get new tires.  I know there has been many discussions on this topic and really up to the individual to make the decision on what to do.    So for safety sake do you think it is time to get new and would like to get Michelin's and my rv service said they can get them. Of course my tires were not on the recall as mentioned in other forum discussions.
The next thing is coach batteries and they are the original ones. They are so hard to read the water level and was wondering if they are replaced as to what is a better battery.  My MH will be stored in Pole Barn and I have been told you can leave it plugged in all the time to keep the batteries charged but afraid they could be overcharged.  I keep little nite lites on to use some of the power but not sure what is right.  Any suggestions on the questions??? 
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So sorry I missed the reunion. Looking forward to next year. Already in the calendar.
     Decided to get new tires in the Spring of 15. Got a price from local Michelin Dealer and they are going to be $210. a tire plus mounting and balancing for about $25 a tire.  I thought they would cost a lot more but the dealer works with FMCA advantage program and they could cost me less.  He said these tires are standard tires and has them all the time.  I will check on the year of the tire was mfg when I purchase them...Since the MH will be garaged for the winter, we will wait till spring.  I just don't want to take a chance on six to eight year old tires. Safety first and an ounce of prevention is worth a thousand cures they say.

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Re: Tire and battery advice
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2014, 12:08:28 pm »
If you'll take some advice from a 25+ year RV owner, but not yet a PC owner, it's time for tires. You're pretty close to the max time tire manufacturers recommend keeping them. But one suggestion, don't purchase the Michelins through your RV service guys without pricing them from Discount Tire Direct, http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/home.do
or a Discount Tire store if you have any locally. Direct can ship them to your service guy if you want.
Another good source, a bit more expensive is The Tire Rack, https://www.tirerack.com/
they can also ship wherever.
Who knows, you might be able to get your service guys to match the price, and they will be fresher tires most likely.

On the batteries, you might check out AGM batteries for replacement. They are sealed with no servicing required, but considerably more expensive. Can't help you with specific models since I don't know what your OEM batteries are.....

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Re: Tire and battery advice
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2014, 01:01:23 pm »
I have dealt with Discount Tire for 20 plus years and have never had a bad experience.  A great benefit is that Discount Tire offers free rotation on all installed tires.

I had our PC tires replaced under the recent recall and when I picked up the PC Discount Tire confirmed they would rotate the tires on the PC free.  The only thing they asked is that I call ahead and make an appointment because of the added time required from the dual wheels.

Here is a link to the Discount Tire website for Mechelin tires:
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/cart/addToCart.do?productTypeId=1&v=024783%7C2010&r=MBRINT&productId=14048


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Re: Tire and battery advice
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2014, 01:16:04 pm »

On the batteries, you might check out AGM batteries for replacement. They are sealed with no servicing required, but considerably more expensive. Can't help you with specific models since I don't know what your OEM batteries are.....

Good luck
Just last night I was working on our battery compartment, fabricating a steel bottom after removing the slide out battery tray to gain enough clearance for a pair of the taller 6V batteries.  Maintenance-free AGMs seems the smarter choice now that the slide-out tray is gone.  I'll be buying the AGMs at Sam's Club at $180/battery.
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Re: Tire and battery advice
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2014, 03:04:35 pm »
Ron do you know how long AGM batteries last? I know that regular flooded batteries are sold by cranking amps and number of months they should last, ie 36, 48 or 60 months. Are AGMs the same way?

The reason we remove old tires is because they might have a blow out. I disagree with putting them on another vehicle, even a lighter one. It was a nice through but I would not do it myself.

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Re: Tire and battery advice
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2014, 03:17:37 pm »
Ron do you know how long AGM batteries last? I know that regular flooded batteries are sold by cranking amps and number of months they should last, ie 36, 48 or 60 months. Are AGMs the same way?

I'll stick my nose in here again with an answer. If all is well with your converter, as in optimized for lead acid as well as AGM, modern multistage chargers are best here, AGM's have the capability of doubling the life of an equal sized lead acid.
Now of course this means the AGM's have to be top quality in the first place. I know one brand of AGM, Optima, has suffered the last few years from quality problems as reported on multiple Jeep forums
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Re: Tire and battery advice
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2014, 04:03:04 pm »
My thought about batteries, 12v versus 6V versus 6V-AGM, I am simply stepping off the battery diving board to find out how deep and how warm the water is untested.  I'm setting up my  battery compartment for the taller 6V batteries, choosing AGM for what I hope will be a better experience.  You'll have to ask me in 5 years how I like them.

My reconfiguration is easy to revert back to 12v with slide-out battery tray, bolt-in-bolt-out for both the tray and steel plate 6V box bottom.  All of 5 minutes to switch back from 6V to 12V if I ever want to.

Regarding the donated tires....

Tom, if you saw the tires on work vans that get donated to the charity I volunteer in, you would surely agree that retired PC tires are so much safer.  Some donated vans are so bad that the steel belts have come through the rubber.  Most donated work vans are very tired, some have sat unused for many years out in the elements before being donated to a charity.  I think they are driven into the ground after they get used up to a certain point, then parked when it's past due for tires.

If the charity determines the van is worth selling to the general public, they want to sell a safe vehicle.  It doesn't have to be perfect, just safe & reliable as can be expected under the circumstances and price window.  Decent used motor home tires provides a means for that to work.  If the charity bought new tires along with addressing other issues on a van and sold it for $900, then what was there to gain?  Receiving good used tires from people like us PC owners, helps the charity get reliable work vehicles in the hands of people who can't afford better, and the proceeds help other people in other ways.  It's good for everyone involved.  Even the PC owner gets a tax write-off of some amount.
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Re: Tire and battery advice
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2014, 05:03:45 pm »
Now I understand. Thanks Ron.

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Re: Tire and battery advice
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Re: Tire and battery advice
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2014, 09:48:35 am »
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   Looked at your link  I'm pricing now,,, ouch,,,,,,, Did you do a tire alignment???

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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2014, 11:00:17 am »
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   Looked at your link  I'm pricing now,,, ouch,,,,,,, Did you do a tire alignment???

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That is why I am not in any hurry to replace our tires.

Understandably, some members have more wealth then others as reflected in tire replacement and even PC replacement duration.  Some members are on PC #3 in less time than Irene and I with PC #1 & only forever.  We simply don't have the financial resources to replace our rig or even the tires like that.

Don't misunderstand my point.  Irene and I  are so blessed with what we have.  I am not complaining here at all.  It is good to see others enjoying life so abundantly.  They can afford to reduce tire risk like that of which I say "Good For Them".  But for us, I hope to go through one set of tires in the time and/or miles that others go through two sets.  Each owner has their own idea of what is considered safe, and "Low" risk.  Some follow the tire manufacture recommendations and I don't put that down at all.  But for us considering the way we store our lighter weighted rig, I consider my plan to be of "Low" risk.  I would not give it any thought to an Alaska trip with our 7 year old 24,000 mile tires.  But again, that is just me.  I am not advising anyone to follow along.
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Re: Tire and battery advice
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2014, 02:11:25 pm »
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I had the front end aligned when we first got the PC.  After we had the tires replaced under the Michelin recall I didn't notice any change in handling and did not have a front end alignment done.

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Re: Tire and battery advice
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2014, 12:56:47 am »
Here is some useable information when looking for replacement batteries.  On a previous RV, I had AGM batteries and the in house charger had to be set for the AGM vs. Wet Cell.
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   Wet Cell (flooded), Gel Cell, and Absorbed Glass Mat (AGM) are various versions of the lead acid battery. The Wet cell comes in two styles; Serviceable and Maintenance free. Both are filled with electrolyte and are basically the same. I prefer one that I can add water to and check the specific gravity of the electrolyte with a hydrometer. The Gel Cell and the AGM batteries are specialty batteries that typically cost twice as much as a premium wet cell. However they store very well and do not tend to sulfate or degrade as easily as wet cell. There is little chance of a hydrogen gas explosion or corrosion when using these batteries; these are the safest lead acid batteries you can use. Gel Cell and some AGM batteries may require a special charging rate. If you want the best,most versatile type, consideration should be given to the AGM battery for applications such as Marine, RV, Solar, Audio, Power Sports and Stand-By Power just to name a few. If you don't use or operate your equipment daily, AGM batteries will hold their charge better that other types. If you must depend on top-notch battery performance, spend the extra money. Gel Cell batteries still are being sold but AGM batteries are replacing them in most applications. There is a some common confusion regarding AGM batteries because different manufactures call them by different names; some of the more common names are "sealed regulated valve", "dry cell", "non spillable", and "Valve Regulated Lead Acid" batteries. In most cases AGM batteries will give greater life span and greater cycle life than a wet cell battery.
SPECIAL NOTE about Gel Batteries: It is very common for individuals to use the term GEL CELL when referring to sealed, maintenance free batteries, much like one would use Kleenex when referring to facial tissue or "Xerox machine" when referring to a copy machine. Be very careful when specifying a gel cell battery charger, many times we are told by customer they are requiring a charger for a Gel Cell battery and in fact the battery is not a Gel Cell.

Scorpion BatteryAGM: The Absorbed Glass Matt construction allows the electrolyte to be suspended in close proximity with the plates active material. In theory, this enhances both the discharge and recharge efficiency. Common manufacturer applications include high performance engine starting, power sports, deep cycle, solar and storage battery. The larger AGM batteries we sell are typically good deep cycle batteries and they deliver their best life performance if recharged before allowed to drop below the 50% discharge rate. The Scorpion motorcycle batteries we carry are a nice upgrade from your stock flooded battery, and the Odyssey branded batteries are fantastic for holding their static charge over long periods of non use. When Deep Cycle AGM batteries are discharged to a rate of no less than 60% the cycle life will be 300 plus cycles.

GEL: The Gel Cell is similar to the AGM style because the electrolyte is suspended, but different because technically the AGM battery is still considered to be a wet cell. The electrolyte in a Gel Cell has a silica additive that causes it to set up or stiffen. The recharge voltage on this type of cell is lower than the other styles of lead acid battery. This is probably the most sensitive cell in terms of adverse reactions to over-voltage charging. Gel Batteries are best used in VERY DEEP cycle application and may last a bit longer in hot weather applications. If the incorrect battery charger is used on a Gel Cell battery poor performance and premature failure is certain.