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2100 Jackknife Couch
« on: January 16, 2016, 05:23:18 pm »
Hello All,

We are new to the forum and have a question.  We have been lurking for a few months.

We have a 2002 PC 2100 that we are very happy with except for the comfort of the jackknife sofa.  We have read on this forum that a couple people have replaced their sofas, but that was in larger models.  Even in pictures of the newer 2100 model on the PC website, the sofa, does not look that comfortable in the sleeping position. Does anyone know if it is?  If it is comfortable, then maybe we can talk to the factory about replacing it.
Right now, we have a 2” memory foam topper that we fold up with the couch with our travasack on top of it, but we still have to put backpacking style air mattresses under that to make it so that we don’t feel the metal ridges of the couch.
Does anyone have personal experience replacing the 54” x 74” jackknife on the 2100 with something that is comfortable for sleeping?  We appreciate any responses.
Thanks!

KatLin

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Re: 2100 Jackknife Couch
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2016, 05:52:58 pm »
Hi KatLin--
Just wanted to welcome you to the forum, though I can't personally answer your question.  At least this will bump your question back up to today's date and maybe someone will come along and find it who does have an answer.  Good luck!

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Re: 2100 Jackknife Couch
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2016, 06:52:21 pm »
Hi, KatLin and welcome.  I cannot answer your specific question, but I can sympathize with you!  We had a 2003 Gulfstream BT Cruiser with a couch that sounds just about like yours and I can remember the problem of sleeping on it.  

I might suggest you call Phoenix at the factory and talk to them about this matter.  They have an excellent reputation for customer service and could probably tell you the changes in the couches back then compared to now on that specific model of coach.  I don't know how far you are from Elkhart, Indiana but I notice you live in Pennsylvania so it may not be an unreasonable distance if you live in the western part of the state.  It might, after talking to the factory, be worth the trip to go over to the factory and actually try out the newer model couches.  

In our model 2013 model 2350 we have a great sofa that is really twin recliners (almost) that electrically articulate to a flat position for sleeping and it is really comfortable.   So, if they use the same thing in the 2100 series now, it would be much better than your jackknife  I am sure.   The schematic online shows a trifold couch and I assume it would be much better and improved from years ago.   Just call the factory and visit with them and see what you can find out.  

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« Last Edit: January 17, 2016, 06:56:36 pm by Doneworking »

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Gail Staton

Re: 2100 Jackknife Couch
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2016, 08:09:47 pm »
Welcome KatLin,

We have a 2013 2100 with an Electric Tri Fold Sofa in Ultra leather.   We are quite comfortable sleeping on  it with just our Travasak  and have never felt any metal ridges or bars.  I think they used memory foam in our sofa/bed.

I would suggest contacting the factory as Paul mentioned.   They would be the best place to have information on your 2002 and quote you a price to replace yours.

I hope you resolve the issue as you seem to have tried all I could suggest.

Glad you like the 2100 otherwise.   We do too.

Gail 

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Re: 2100 Jackknife Couch
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2016, 03:06:27 pm »
Thanks, Carol for bumping us up to the top!  And Thanks to Paul and Gail for their advice.  It's good to know that the couch  in the newer 2100s is more comfortable.  We have tried the split reclining couch and found them very comfortable, but after talking to Earl he said they will fit in any model except the 2100.  We have put in a call to Kermit at the factory to get pricing on a replacement tri-fold couch with memory foam. So we are hopeful of a good outcome.  We live in NW PA and the Elkhart factory is only 5-1/2 hours away. Thanks again and we'll keep you posted.

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Gail Staton

Re: 2100 Jackknife Couch
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2016, 08:37:30 am »
KatLin,

I look forward to hearing back when you have your new comfortable  Tri Fold Sofa/Bed in place.  Hoping you see a big difference over your existing one.

Gail

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Re: 2100 Jackknife Couch
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2016, 08:33:48 pm »
Here's a link to a post I did with my solution to the uncomfy couch bed.
http://www.phoenixusarv.com/community/index.php/topic,1613.msg12271.html#msg12271

However, I eventually switched over to leaving the dinette made up as a full-time bed. Much nicer not having to stow all the bedding every morning and the storage under the table is awesome. It's only an option if you're fairly short though.

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Re: 2100 Jackknife Couch
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2016, 09:38:56 am »
For the record, we had a 2006 model 2100 with the electric couch.  It was one of the most comfortable beds we have ever used, my wife says it was the best. 
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Re: 2100 Jackknife Couch
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2016, 10:15:15 am »
Racephoto – I did see the link to your uncomfortable bed solution.  That was a great find and so glad that is working for you.  We prefer to leave the dinette up and are hopeful that when replacing the existing couch we will no longer need the thick memory foam pad and thin air mattress as well.  Thanks!

2travel – I found your comment very interesting that both you and your wife found the electric couch extremely comfortable.  I wish we could say the same.  Did your couch have the memory foam in it?  Our couch is very hard.  Thanks for your input.

Here’s an update – I have spoken to both Kermit and Carol at the factory.  Kermit said that if the couch mechanism works, then we would only need to replace the couch pads!  I was so happy to hear that. We have decided to replace the couch pads, dinette cushions and get the newer table as well.  We’re just waiting to hear back from the factory on final details.  As you all indicated, they are very helpful.  Thanks! -KatLin



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Re: 2100 Jackknife Couch
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2016, 04:50:26 pm »
I don't know if it was memory foam.  We would say it was firm but not hard, like high quality furniture cushioning.  Hope yours works as well.  My guess is if you let Kermit know what you like and don't like, he will find the solution for you. Steve
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