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2006 model 2350 Restoration and Modification
« on: February 22, 2019, 12:25:31 pm »
MO Projects...  :lol

The paint on the exterior mirror bases was flaking off the aluminum due to corrosion. Being that they look like they were taken off a 1978 Winnebago, I was eager to update the looks. The factory tow mirrors look so much better, and extend out far enough to see around the coach with ease.

Got new ones, factory copies. No heaters, but do have power adjusting. They are the extendable towing style. Like these -
http://www.topgearautosport.com/part/A12246JP221/Ford_E350_2003-2007_Power_Towing_Mirrors.html

Anyone else do this? Wiring advice welcome. Never done power mirrors.

My first step (after checking back here when I get home...) will be multimeter on wires, and work the switch. Hope not to let any magic smoke out when doing testing...

My Cruiser is gonna look like a cruiser now,  not a hopeful elephant..  roflol

« Last Edit: November 02, 2019, 08:44:17 am by Volkemon »

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Re: 2006 Exterior Mirror Upgrade
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2019, 07:13:19 am »
WoooHooo!  Easy Peasy.

Found the wiring diagram for the velvac mirrors here:
https://www.velvac.com/sites/default/files/resource-files/2020_wiring_diagram_-_ford_e-van_7475242_12.pdf

The Velvac mirror was trapping water inside between the mirror casting and the gasket. Thats what was corroding the outside, it creeped around the edge from the inside. Lucky for me the gasket protected the door...could been nasty. Still works fine... anyone need a pair of mirrors?  :)(:

The connector on the new mirrors had 3 terminals, one appeared to be a common, with two wires on it. Pushed wires in... and it worked! (But horizontal was vertical..) Switched the two single wires, and it was fine.

So it ended up using the yellow, black and white wires from the original controller. Yellow was common, connect to the two wires from the mirror. Black on the coach went to yellow on the new mirror, and white from the coach to green on the mirror. Works perfect!

No heaters, so i put a pigtail on the + wire and left it protected. Might use it to switch ramp lights.  :-D


Put the new headlights in...  2o2  Damn. Looks new, and the pattern is SO SO SO much better than the old ones. Sharp cutoff line.  Painted the grill areas that were gray to black, it looks like an Explorer? Expedition? Definitely changed the look, but looks factory. Will post pics, between finishing windshield, lights, and TV mount i didnt get online, much less post pics.  :lol 

Also got the LED lights put in the headliner to light the front area. The original light didnt cut it.. now there is NO lack of light. Used these: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Truck-Tuff-Truck-Bed-LED-Lights/51901266  12V lights are VERY handy different places. Made my under counter lights from them also.

Mrs V is VERY happy with the new look on the coach. Mission underway and going well!  heartshower

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Re: 2006 Exterior Mirror Upgrade
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2019, 10:44:30 am »
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Re: 2006 Exterior Mirror Upgrade
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2019, 12:31:20 pm »
I love your projects Volkemon.

Regarding Outside Mirrors
I won't be changing out our mirrors unless there is some kind of catastrophic failure whether by an accident or a hardware failure.  For me in our particular situation, the mirrors need to be folded in or brought in to the point they do not stick out any farther than the body of the motor home.  That would be a requirement for the rig to fit through our garage door.

About Cab Interior Lighting
More evenly distributed lighting instead of a pair of spot lights would be nicer.  I have been contemplating replacing the high intensity incandescent bulbs with LED bulbs for the same amount or more light, but operate at a much lower wattage.

About The Front Grille
I am fine with our stock grille, but thought those "billet" grilles looked nice for the 2007 on-back E-series.  Some fit over the stock grille, some replace the stock grille.  I would get the "replace" version if at all.

I also seen hoods with tasteful integrated scoops installed on high-end motor homes of that era, but I don't know if they are 100% fiberglass like my rust-free stock hood is.

I really like the style of our 2007 with Phoenix's optional bumper skin with integrated fog lights.  I never cared for the dump truck industrial look introduced in 2008 in place to this today.

Here is our 2007 2350 with Phoenix's optional front bumper cover.
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Re: 2006 Exterior Mirror Upgrade
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2019, 01:48:20 pm »
I will have to get pics posted... the mirrors fold up just like factory...cause they are. :)   I would not have been OK with non folding also!

Wait until you see the lights in the headliner. Awesome. Small planes are diverting over to the pool of light.  :lol

Ditto on the grill. I got the 'replace' billet grill... it looks OK. Too much stuff visible through it, and required a custom job to make the secondary release work well. Put it back in the box for now. Just painting the inserts on the factory grill black was a 'WOW' moment. I really like how with the headlights and stock grill it looks 'factory' but custom also...

Pics coming.  ;)

Oh yeah.. Bumper cover... I love the look,never seemed to fit right, always looked 'off'. Found out why... there are only 2 (TWO) pop rivits holding it to the bumper.  :beg  No holes from others that left, no rust outs....2 pop rivits from the factory. thats it.    >(   

 Twisted it 'up' to level it....MUCH better. Going to pull the cover off to check condition of the bumper below, then reinstall...with more than 2 pop rivits!!

On second look... thats a fuzzy headliner ya' got!  And does your curtain go under the visors? Ours is just inside the cutout perimeter, further back. Hm! 

Third look... ther eis a slight tear in the center of your headliner, behind the light...did that house something?   Mine has a ~6x6 hole cut out of the plastic there. The replacement headliner material covered it, but I was wondering what might have been there. Going to put in an aluminum plate with wood backing to mount a reverse camera/ monitor. was wondering what might have been from Phoenix.

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Re: 2006 Exterior Mirror Upgrade and other cosmetic enhancements..
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2019, 08:16:47 pm »
The bug shield was Ford OEM..    NOS  dated 2002.   :beg   It is older than the camper.  roflol   


Wanted to post a couple pics. More coming!

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Re: 2006 Exterior Mirror Upgrade and other cosmetic enhancements..
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2019, 11:11:04 pm »
Lookin great!

Your interior lighting is fulfilling.  Is it "all on" or switched for passenger half and driver half like our spot lights are setup?  Irene likes to have her spot light on while I drive.

In my interior picture, the messed up headliner is where the back-up monitor used to be mounted.  I ditched the center mirror and relocated the monitor there, then mounted the ScanGuage-II on top of it.  One day I might muster up the time to walk through a big junk yard in search of something that could be mounted there, a shallow cubby-hole of sorts to cover-up the damaged headliner.

BTW: If your grille paint job doesn't hold up, I think brand new knock-off Ford 2006 front grilles sell cheap on Ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/for-2003-2004-2005-2006-2007-Ford-Econoline-Van-Front-Grille-Chrome-Platinum/143111538063?hash=item21521cc58f:g:BuoAAOSwXgxcU5ev:rk:23:pf:0

I'd love to see pictures of your side mirrors in stubby fashion, extended fashion, and folded in.

If memory serves me right, there is some double-sided foam tape holding the bumper cover to the OEM bumper.  It is not only those two rivets.  I would imagine the foam tape also eliminates vibration sounds.

To use the curtain, we have to fold-down the sun-visors.  Phoenix may have mounted the track there so we can use the passenger swivel seat with the curtain closed.  It does work so.
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Re: 2006 Exterior Mirror Upgrade and other cosmetic enhancements..
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2019, 05:38:44 am »
Lookin great!

Your interior lighting is fulfilling.  Is it "all on" or switched for passenger half and driver half like our spot lights are setup?  Irene likes to have her spot light on while I drive.

At the moment, wires taped to the windshield.  :lol  It is going to be 'all on', but with pushbuttons top center to defeat either/both sides ceiling lights. There is going to be a separate 'spot' for navigator/asst. driver use. If the brightness becomes an issue, a dimmer could be easily added. I love the brightness for those lights, however.

In my interior picture, the messed up headliner is where the back-up monitor used to be mounted.  I ditched the center mirror and relocated the monitor there, then mounted the ScanGuage-II on top of it.  One day I might muster up the time to walk through a big junk yard in search of something that could be mounted there, a shallow cubby-hole of sorts to cover-up the damaged headliner.

Mine has a cutout in the original support like something was there... but no wires or screw holes to suggest what. There is no support plate back there yet, or if one was it is gone. Is there a solid mounting surface behind yours?  (I just noticed you dont use an interior mirror. I like mine, it does allow monitoring the trailer.)

BTW: If your grille paint job doesn't hold up, I think brand new knock-off Ford 2006 front grilles sell cheap on Ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/for-2003-2004-2005-2006-2007-Ford-Econoline-Van-Front-Grille-Chrome-Platinum/143111538063?hash=item21521cc58f:g:BuoAAOSwXgxcU5ev:rk:23:pf:0

Yep!  Same grill, chrome and grey.(platinum) I used the 'trim' black, which I have had good luck using externally down here. The chrome is in good shape on mine, luckily.

I'd love to see pictures of your side mirrors in stubby fashion, extended fashion, and folded in.

I have those pictures, I was a bit loose on my time management last night and didnt get a chance to post. Will be coming up.. There is even a 'folded forward for shaving mirror' pic also.

If memory serves me right, there is some double-sided foam tape holding the bumper cover to the OEM bumper.  It is not only those two rivets.  I would imagine the foam tape also eliminates vibration sounds.

If so, the tape is long gone. The cover wiggles freely. I am going to be removing it, will see if there is evidence of tape. Seems that tape and two rivits might be a tad shy on attachment...but it did last 13 years so far.. 

To use the curtain, we have to fold-down the sun-visors.  Phoenix may have mounted the track there so we can use the passenger swivel seat with the curtain closed.  It does work so.

Ah!  That would be the case.  We dont turn the seat around, so has not been an issue. Wouldnt mind moving it, I wonder if the track on ours is even long enough ...

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Re: 2006 Exterior Mirror Upgrade and other cosmetic enhancements..
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2019, 06:27:08 am »
https://www.facebook.com/volke.mon/media_set?set=a.943868619149682&type=3

More pics posted for the windshield repair. Ron... dont look at them before bed...nightmare material...  :beg

Happy ending though! 

EDIT - these are supposed to be public accessible pictures... does the link above work for others? Thanks!
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Re: 2006 Exterior Mirror Upgrade and other cosmetic enhancements..
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2019, 08:22:28 am »
It wants me to log in to facebook. I don't have Facebook so no go for me.
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Re: 2006 Exterior Mirror Upgrade and other cosmetic enhancements..
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2019, 09:54:07 am »
It wants me to log in to facebook. I don't have Facebook so no go for me.

Thanks for the feedback.  I tried from another computer and no-go. SUPPOSED to be public access.  >(  Even though I wasnt signed in, the cookies must have allowed it for me.

 FB makes my hobby much easier, so I joined. And they believed I was a 30-something from Ayer-ayer Nigeria, live in moscow and graduated school in 1922 (found a glitch in their signup and exploited it). Hope their marketing gets miles from that. Interesting enough, NO junk messages from Nigerian Princes to help move money. Thought I would be a prime target.  roflol



I took a cue from Ron D, and signed up for a flick account. Now I just have to make the time to upload there, and link to here. Then all can see without restrictions. More sharing.  heartshower

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I know it saves server bandwidth not to do so, but it might really help PC to allow heathens non members  :lol to see pictures. There are future buyers looking here, and limiting their experience is a way to make a first impression...albeit not a good one IMO. I would think ANYTHING to promote the PC ownership experience would help. 
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Re: 2006 Exterior Mirror Upgrade and other cosmetic enhancements..
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2019, 10:09:04 am »
Volkemon,

I did look at your windshield pictures.  People don't realize the risk introduced in having your windshield replaced.

Both us with our sedan and our son with his sedan had a few very minor chips in our original windshields.  Against my advise, our son had his windshield replaced of which did not go well.  I instead had our minor chips repaired on our original windshield.

I hope never to replace the original windshield on any of our vehicles.  As you are dealing with, service techs replacing windshields are careless with their sharp cutting blades removing old rubber sealant.  They scrape off original body paint exposing bare steel that remains unprotected thereafter causing rust around their windshield in the years that follow.
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Re: 2006 Exterior Mirror Upgrade and other cosmetic enhancements..
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2019, 10:30:59 am »


I hope never to replace the original windshield on any of our vehicles.  As you are dealing with, service techs replacing windshields are careless with their sharp cutting blades removing old rubber sealant.  They scrape off original body paint exposing bare steel that remains unprotected thereafter causing rust around their windshield in the years that follow.

You on FB Ron? Hit me up - Volke Mon. (from nigeria, live in Moscow. Thats me.  :lol) Couple other forum members there on the PC page.

Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater.. indeed my problems were caused by a careless tech replacing the windshield. Probably a rush job at a dealership, and thats where and how a LOT of BS work happens...  But in all fairness, I have had many WS replacement techs that do a spectacular job, leaving the area as factory new or better. They do have a primer to cover all those cut/scraped spots.  Whether they use it...  I do realize I got premium treatment due to my knowledge in the field, and that I was there taking pictures.  roflol  Here's hoping anyone else here having a WS replaced may be a bit better informed, and know what to look for.

Suppose the lesson to bring away for now also is LOOK AT THE WINDSHIELD when buying a camper. If it is not OEM, look closer for rust drips. There are a few spots you can peer in under the hood and see without disassembly.

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2019, 10:56:14 am »
Volkemon,

I am so NOT, NOT, NOT into Facebook.  I have an account but almost never use it.  My only FB friends is my extended family and even then all the Facebook notifications were so overwhelming that I had to turn off notifications from even my family.  I don't need to know every detail of every day.  I actually hate using Face Book.  If you want to connect with me, I am right here.  My email address is available through the PC forum member list.

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Re: 2006 Exterior Mirror Upgrade and other cosmetic enhancements..
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2019, 12:10:44 pm »
Volkemon,

I am so NOT, NOT, NOT into Facebook.  I have an account but almost never use it.  My only FB friends is my extended family and even then all the Facebook notifications were so overwhelming that I had to turn off notifications from even my family.  I don't need to know every detail of every day.  I actually hate using Face Book.  If you want to connect with me, I am right here.  My email address is available through the PC forum member list.

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 roflol not an uncommon facebook response. Hate... thats a strong word in my world.    I enjoy recording live music, and there has not been a better medium to reach out to musicians. But I dont use FB 'right' either... almost never post, I dont follow people, and usually the first thing I do after friending someone is to unfollow.  Mrs V is on constantly, and keeps me advised of the 'goings on'.  Facebook is like any other tool - used in the right way, can be very helpful. Use it not fully realizing how it works...you can do damage. Truthfully, I am little distressed sometimes at the time and energy Mrs V puts into FB.. but I am sure I do the same with other things and she has the grace not to complain.

My 75 YO mother cant get enough of it, and is THRILLED each time she makes new connections with people from her past. I was pleasantly surprised to find a picture of her from 1961 as the reining Beauty Queen of Treasure Island, FL opening the 'new' toll bridge.  2o2 Bridge is still there, but the tolls are no longer collected. Were it not for FB... doubt I ever would have seen it.  So her delight has made me reconsider my instinctive dislike for such a social platform, and I try to use the good in it.

I thought it would be an easy place to host pictures, and confirmed that one USED to be able to view public albums without signing up. But no more, evidently.