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sorry to be such a pain in the a__
« on: January 08, 2011, 03:34:31 pm »
Sorry to be such a pain in the a__! But the only Cruiser we probably see is Bob’s 2551 in Quartzsite. The reason for so many question are the articles in different magazines post on the Cruisers home page. (In the press) I realize most of the things I read have probably been addressed. But here goes, the questions are,

Uneven furnace heat they needed adjustable registers.

1800-Watt inverter had DVD hum.

No light under cabinet sink.

The 2552 at Phoenix in stock has no duel pain windows, are the worth adding or just in the bedroom or?

Shades between driver and living area were hard to close and stiff.

The mirror at the stove, what do y’all think? Would it be worth taking out?

Thank you all for your patience, I appreciate all your input, billy
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pyrthkr

Re: sorry to be such a pain in the a__
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2011, 04:22:05 pm »
No worries Billy - keep doing your research!  Here are my replies based on my short experience (<2mo) w/2008 2551:

Yes, the furnace heat seems to come out the best in the bathroom & bedroom.  The one register in the living room/kitchen has a lot of area to cover.  We close off the bedroom from the living area when we go to bed & that keeps us nice & toastie as well as probably saving us some propane.

Yes, DVD hums but we only notice it when volume is way down.

Yes, no light under cabinet sink but I haven't seemed to need one.

Dual pane windows - unless they are already on I wouldn't pay to have them installed.  Nice to have but you still have that large window area up front - we've have the Ford 350/450 windshield cover from Camping World for about $55 to help w/heat/cooling loss/gain via cab windows.

Shades difficult.  Yes, at first but you get used to it.  For us, the windshield cover mentioned above now does the trick & we don't even use the shades.

We don't have the mirror at the stove in our model but it would seem like just one more thing to keep clean.

Just one man's opinion.  Hope it helps

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2011, 07:29:19 pm »
Sorry to be such a pain in the a__! But the only Cruiser we probably see is Bob’s 2551 in Quartzsite. The reason for so many question are the articles in different magazines post on the Cruisers home page. (In the press) I realize most of the things I read have probably been addressed. But here goes, the questions are,

Uneven furnace heat they needed adjustable registers. - How uneven can it be in a space that small with four registers. Adjustable registers are about $10 each. add them later if you want.

1800-Watt inverter had DVD hum.- have never tried the dvd on the inverter, always on electric.

No light under cabinet sink.- my 2350 has 9 dual flor. lights, turn them all on and you will be getting your sunglasses out. we have a flor. light over kitchen sink.

The 2552 at Phoenix in stock has no duel pain windows, are the worth adding or just in the bedroom or? - I did not think the duel pain window are worth the money. did not get them.

Shades between driver and living area were hard to close and stiff. - not hard to close, harder to fold when opening them.

The mirror at the stove, what do y’all think? Would it be worth taking out? Order it shipped unmounted and see for yourself. it is glued onto the wall.

Thank you all for your patience, I appreciate all your input, billy you need to take a chil pill and wait until you see a PC. Wouldn't want to lose you from stress before you can join our merry little band.  (})


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Re: sorry to be such a pain in the a__
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2011, 09:42:56 pm »
All good questions.  I have the smaller 2350, so the furnace uneven heat is not much a problem.  However, we now use a small electric space heater when hooked up to shore power that keeps us more than warm.  Also have a small fan that keeps us cool in summer.  I haven't noticed an inverter hum on the dvd in my unit.  No light over the sink has not been a problem with the other available lights.  We don't have duel pane windows, and haven't noticed any major reasons to want them.  I wouldn't personally pay the extra expense for the maginal (again in my opinion) benefit.  The shades in front are hard/stiff, but not difficult to extend if you take time.  We use them only for short stays or when I'm too lazy to put the cover over the windshield.  Most of the time, I put the full windshield cover purchased from camping world on.  It's really not that hard to put on, and it provides more thermal and privacy benefits.  It also makes the living area seem larger.  I've heard the new version has a fold down version that provides privacy and one way visual from inside.  The mirror by the stove had to have been added without female input.  My wife hates it, and it limits what can be added in that location (on our previous 2700 PC we put a knife holder in that area).  I plan to take it out "one of these days" (low priority since I'll have to repair/replace the covering behind it).  All in all, your concerns are legimate--but relatively minor considering the quality of the overall product.  Keep asking questions until you're comfortable with your decision.

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2011, 11:47:58 pm »
think your right Tom and thanks IMichael.
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Re: sorry to be such a pain in the a__
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2011, 07:37:44 am »
I'll only comment on the dual pane windows.

We had them on 2 of our previous rigs and, as is quite common, condensation got in and they fogged badly. In fact, the dual pane in our Alpine's door admitted water to the point it filled to about 3/4" deep between the panes. It's tempered glass and you can't drill a hole to let the water drain (tempered glass shatters and all you're left with are bits of it). You can find myriad posts about dual pane windows on other, more specifically Class A, forums.

Dual pane windows are also quite expensive and troublesome to repair/replace and, as we don't use our Cruiser in very cold climates, I avoided them like the Plague this time.

They do keep the inside a little quieter but that's never been of big benefit for us. 
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Re: sorry to be such a pain in the a__
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2011, 08:13:54 pm »
Being that we own a 2007 model, some of Billy's questions are not appicable here.

Thermal Pane Windows.....We have them and love them.
1) Quiet inside when it's noisey outside, which is especially beneficial the way we travel.  We stay in Walmart's and rest areas where there is never a dull moment.  So the noise suppresion is much appreciated.  Even quiet when on the open road with less over-all noise, especially from passing trucks.
2) When camping in summer at high altitude, places like Canada, or off season, it's much warmer inside than experienced with our old motor home which had single pane.  Little or no radiated cold falling on our heads.
3) A/C is retained better too.  We do notice that.

The factory can swap out windows.  They have done it for others.

If I had troubles with failed seals like rmmpe, I too would advise against them, but so far, all is well.  We do store our PC2350 in a heated garage in winter so maybe that is a contributer to holding a good seal.



The front shades do require a bit of a knack to work smoothly.  I can understand a negative review about them.  But after a while, you know what it takes for them to cooperate, and all works out well.

About the sink light.  We have one and like it a lot.  I am surprised they stop putting in sink lights.  You can request one be installed for you, maybe even on an existing unit.

About the stove mirror....I thought it was a good idea for an easy clean splash guard & heat shield.  It also brightens up what is typically a dark corner.  I was going to buy one from the factory, but my wife said not to.

About the furnace in our 2350, I agree with everyone else.  More heat goes to the rear than to the front.   It is great when sleeping in back with the privacy curtian so the furnace doesn't run so often, but the RV does experience uneven heating.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2011, 09:35:06 pm »
OOps.  Must have had one of those senior moments.  We do have a light over the sink.  Guess that's why I didn't think it wasn't a problem. Sorry for the misinformation.  We're currently "camping" at Lake Pleasant outside of Phoenix, AZ, and it's a "bitter" 57 degrees outside.  Guess I'll have to turn the heat on.  Sorry to ya'll up north.  We're heading to Cambria, CA for a little coast time.

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Re: sorry to be such a pain in the a__
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2011, 01:45:36 pm »
Imichael, We're at the Avi casino, about 5-6 miles north of Needles going to movies. They have an 8 plex and Sharon is getten her fix. That's alright about the "bitter" 57 degrees, it,s about 50-55 here but do have some winds. About the last 45 miles to the casino on Hiwy 40 the wind was soooooo bad I could see my gas gauge going down, " before my very eyes" scarrrrrry. About that time I was thinking how nice it would be to have a smaller, more aerodynamic rig. Take care we're off to another movie. billy
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